Thanks so much. I'll get this motor running again. I am trying to make sure I
don't mess up any of the code structure. It's mainly syntax I am correcting and
the linking to the other files that was destroyed. The precompiled headers had
some information that wasn't in the source files and I'm reconnecting it all
again. Hunting down functions isn't easy since there is about 50 files
involved. I love a good challenge.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Len Viljoen
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 8:21 AM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
Good luck john. We're all rooting for you. Thanks so much for all the hard work
and effort on your part. Speaking for myself and I believe many others I'm so
excited about the access to the current version of sonar.
Kind regards
Len viljoen
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn DoItBlind
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2015 4:11 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
OK, I am refreshed today. I turned on the pre compiled headers again since I
got past the dreaded errors. Seems every line for controlling the mixer
controls was written in some prehistoric language but it makes sense now. I'm
not bothering to learn the old syntax, but paying attention to the new stuff.
It's not so bad really. I don't know when I will be done, but I know that it
will be done and we will have access to things again. I am making some good
headway on this. Some of the files were old, but some were new. I don't get it.
It is strange really. I have to turn off the precompiled headers again since it
is doing something weird again. Funny how this stuff works. I am demystifying
how the control surface really works. I also have the correct registry entries
in place already so that part is done. Nobody had this implemented before which
I can understand, but to hunt down things in the registry is insane.
All is well.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ernest mccullough
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 7:14 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
Yes Sir! Absolutely Chris. Still and all, I also encourage him to take some
time out as well.
On May 7, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Chris Belle <chrisbelle@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've been encouraging him to take breaks and pace himself.
I used to burn both ends of the candle like that constantly, probably why I
have some of my health issues now.
Nothing like that young energy.
Johns very warm and friendly and approachable too, unlike some of
these code jockey's I've dealt with in the past.
I think we have a real champion for our cause.
On 5/7/2015 6:37 PM, ernest mccullough wrote:
I totally agree.
On May 7, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I sure hope he takes breaks, for his own health and sanity!
We've waited a few years for some action on the X series, an extra month or
two won't hurt anyone.
At 07:27 PM 5/7/2015, you wrote:
I spoke with John a few hours ago and he has been working tirelessly on
the control surface for us. At one point, he spent 36 hours non-stop
working on compiling and taking out old code; just so that we can have a
one of a kind sonar experience like none before these scripts. Sometimes,
John would spend 18 hours a day working on improving the scripts and
compiling a DLL so that it can interact with the Jaws scripts. Be assured
people, that when the scripts are released, they will have been worth the
wait. Not only will there be excellent documentation to support the
scripts, but there will also be audio demonstrations of the features as
well put together by yours truly. So, stay tuned, you won’t regret it.
Regards,
Ernest A. McCullough JR.
On May 7, 2015, at 7:14 PM, John Martyn DoItBlind <John@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Basically I learned C++ in a hurry to make this thing compatible
with the new sonar.
LOL
John
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roy
Shtupler
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:46 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
that's real frustrating indeed.
will ask John about the scrubbing feature , since it's done via the
surface.
thanks very much for sharing
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:53 PM
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
Hi, Roy:
Of course I'm not John, and I'm certainly not here to answer for
him, but maybe I can save you some time by telling you what John
told me in this regard. He calls me a lot and we get into the nuts
and bolts of the thing sometimes, so maybe teling you a little of
what he's told me might help. He says he can connect to the
surface with PowerShell, issue commands to it, but when he tries
to get stuff back from it, it returns garbage and doesn't pass
anything on to Sonar itself. The thing compiled correctly and
everything, JAWS can talk to it and get stuff back from it, but
something else unknown is going on which may or may not hav
anything to do with the header information in the .h files. We
shall see. John's really banging his head against the wall on this
one, but without sufficient documentation or even a glimmer of an
idea of how to hook the thing up with Sonar so it responds to
methods and members and all the other things having to do with
DLL's and stuff, we're kind of clueless for the nonce. I even got
onto an IRC channel with folks that do this stuff for a living,
and they said the same thing--it's just supposed to work. Well, it
doesn't, and that's what's so frustrating.
On Thu, 07 May 2015 19:41:32 +0300, you wrote:
probably in the *.h , which are the header files; there you can
find all declarations for the various properties , methods and
events for the control surface.
will check the latest version of the sdk to see where exactly this
resides.
cheers
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <ptorpey00@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 4:11 PM
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
I think the surfaces provided by Cakewalk are examples and one
can customize them as one wishes to include the functions one
wants. I don't know where one finds out what other functions
one might include and what the format should be. I never got a
chance to look that deeply into it. The documentation seems to
be pretty sparse - Not an easy job to dig it all out.
Probably a lot of what I call "experimental programming".
Anyway, good luck with it. Again, I'm glad to help if and where I can.
One more suggestion, you might be able to get some ideas on how
the surface was implemented in the JSonar scripts - that might
give you some ideas.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
Martyn DoItBlind
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 11:27 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
Yes, but the source is problematic and a lot of things needed
changing even though it is up to date. Still trying to figure
out the commands.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
ptorpey00@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 8:46 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
David,
Yes, the Cakewalk control surface SDK is open source and
available to anyone. Here is the link I sent to John with all
of the information to get one started:
https://github.com/Cakewalk/Cakewalk-Control-Surface-SDK
This is the latest SDK from Cakewalk. The JSonar scripts used
an earlier version. I believe that you can compile the control
surface into a DLL using Visual Studio 2013 (which Cakewalk
recommends) and then grab all of the methods and properties of
the control surface through objects via the JAWS scripts.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
Engebretson Jr.
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 4:50 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
Is this control service open? Does Sonar make it available for
all of its customers? It would be nice if everyone had access
to it and its documentation. Especially if the UI is being
defined.
I'd be willing to get my hands dirty in a UI wrapped around
Sonar's API.Let me know what you need help with.
Best,
David
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From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:43 PM
To: <sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
There aren't any scripts to test yet. John's just getting thecode needed.
ins and outs of the control surface under his hands now. That's
the JAWS scripting part of it. He's trying to get straight what
to tell the control surface, and how to understand what it's
telling him back when he gives it things to do. So far there's
literally nothing to test.
It's the equivalent of him designing the tool which will help
him design the scripts.
On Sun, 03 May 2015 14:52:19 -0500, you wrote:
That's wonderful
I wish I could test these scripts out, I can't seem to get an
answer from anybody, here I sit with my fully appointed test
machine, but with no demo code, I can't do a thing till I get my jaws.
I mean, I have my code for my serial number, and I was under
the impression I could test with the demo, I've written to
rishi and John, but I guess everyone's too busy.
Or maybe my messages aren't getting through, is there ir is
there not a way to test with a demo copy of jaws till my jaws gets
here?
On 5/3/2015 2:12 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
John reports the 32- and 64-bit control surface DLL's are
ready for use! Now all he has to do is figure out the
interface between us and the functions the control surface
library can call, and the data which these functions return
and how it should be displayed/presented to us verbally. The
concept of a control surface is the basis of the old
CakeTalking product, and it's where a large portion of the
development and testing for X3 and Platinum access will
occur. In fact, many of the things John has already worked on
will be rewritten because the control surface makes
performing those functions easier and more reliable, so there
will be less actual script
