OK, I am refreshed today. I turned on the pre compiled headers again since I
got past the dreaded errors. Seems every line for controlling the mixer
controls was written in some prehistoric language but it makes sense now. I'm
not bothering to learn the old syntax, but paying attention to the new stuff.
It's not so bad really. I don't know when I will be done, but I know that it
will be done and we will have access to things again. I am making some good
headway on this. Some of the files were old, but some were new. I don't get it.
It is strange really. I have to turn off the precompiled headers again since it
is doing something weird again. Funny how this stuff works. I am demystifying
how the control surface really works. I also have the correct registry entries
in place already so that part is done. Nobody had this implemented before which
I can understand, but to hunt down things in the registry is insane.
All is well.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of ernest mccullough
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 7:14 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
Yes Sir! Absolutely Chris. Still and all, I also encourage him to take some
time out as well.
On May 7, 2015, at 7:45 PM, Chris Belle <chrisbelle@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I've been encouraging him to take breaks and pace himself.
I used to burn both ends of the candle like that constantly, probably why I
have some of my health issues now.
Nothing like that young energy.
Johns very warm and friendly and approachable too,
unlike some of these code jockey's I've dealt with in the past.
I think we have a real champion for our cause.
On 5/7/2015 6:37 PM, ernest mccullough wrote:
I totally agree.
On May 7, 2015, at 7:32 PM, Chris Smart <csmart8@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I sure hope he takes breaks, for his own health and sanity!
We've waited a few years for some action on the X series, an extra month or
two won't hurt anyone.
At 07:27 PM 5/7/2015, you wrote:
I spoke with John a few hours ago and he has been working tirelessly on
the control surface for us. At one point, he spent 36 hours non-stop
working on compiling and taking out old code; just so that we can have a
one of a kind sonar experience like none before these scripts. Sometimes,
John would spend 18 hours a day working on improving the scripts and
compiling a DLL so that it can interact with the Jaws scripts. Be assured
people, that when the scripts are released, they will have been worth the
wait. Not only will there be excellent documentation to support the
scripts, but there will also be audio demonstrations of the features as
well put together by yours truly. So, stay tuned, you won’t regret it.
Regards,
Ernest A. McCullough JR.
On May 7, 2015, at 7:14 PM, John Martyn DoItBlind <John@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Basically I learned C++ in a hurry to make this thing compatible with the
new sonar.
LOL
John
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roy Shtupler
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 2:46 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
that's real frustrating indeed.
will ask John about the scrubbing feature , since it's done via the
surface.
thanks very much for sharing
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2015 8:53 PM
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
Hi, Roy:
Of course I'm not John, and I'm certainly not here to answer for him,
but maybe I can save you some time by telling you what John told me in
this regard. He calls me a lot and we get into the nuts and bolts of
the thing sometimes, so maybe teling you a little of what he's told me
might help. He says he can connect to the surface with PowerShell,
issue commands to it, but when he tries to get stuff back from it, it
returns garbage and doesn't pass anything on to Sonar itself. The
thing compiled correctly and everything, JAWS can talk to it and get
stuff back from it, but something else unknown is going on which may
or may not hav anything to do with the header information in the .h
files. We shall see. John's really banging his head against the wall
on this one, but without sufficient documentation or even a glimmer of
an idea of how to hook the thing up with Sonar so it responds to
methods and members and all the other things having to do with DLL's
and stuff, we're kind of clueless for the nonce. I even got onto an
IRC channel with folks that do this stuff for a living, and they said
the same thing--it's just supposed to work. Well, it doesn't, and
that's what's so frustrating.
On Thu, 07 May 2015 19:41:32 +0300, you wrote:
probably in the *.h , which are the header files; there you can find all
declarations for the various properties , methods and events for the
control
surface.
will check the latest version of the sdk to see where exactly this
resides.
cheers
Roy.
http://elephant-dolphin.bandcamp.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <ptorpey00@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 4:11 PM
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
I think the surfaces provided by Cakewalk are examples and one can
customize
them as one wishes to include the functions one wants. I don't know
where
one finds out what other functions one might include and what the format
should be. I never got a chance to look that deeply into it. The
documentation seems to be pretty sparse - Not an easy job to dig it all
out.
Probably a lot of what I call "experimental programming".
Anyway, good luck with it. Again, I'm glad to help if and where I can.
One more suggestion, you might be able to get some ideas on how the
surface
was implemented in the JSonar scripts - that might give you some ideas.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Martyn
DoItBlind
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 11:27 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
Yes, but the source is problematic and a lot of things needed changing
even
though it is up to date. Still trying to figure out the commands.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
ptorpey00@xxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 8:46 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
David,
Yes, the Cakewalk control surface SDK is open source and available to
anyone. Here is the link I sent to John with all of the information to
get
one started:
https://github.com/Cakewalk/Cakewalk-Control-Surface-SDK
This is the latest SDK from Cakewalk. The JSonar scripts used an
earlier
version. I believe that you can compile the control surface into a DLL
using Visual Studio 2013 (which Cakewalk recommends) and then grab all
of
the methods and properties of the control surface through objects via
the
JAWS scripts.
--Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:sonarblindbeta-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David
Engebretson
Jr.
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 4:50 PM
To: sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
Is this control service open? Does Sonar make it available for all of
its
customers? It would be nice if everyone had access to it and its
documentation. Especially if the UI is being defined.
I'd be willing to get my hands dirty in a UI wrapped around Sonar's
API.Let
me know what you need help with.
Best,
David
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From: "Steve Matzura" <number6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 1:43 PM
To: <sonarblindbeta@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [sonarblindbeta] Re: Liftoff! Control Surface Operational!
There aren't any scripts to test yet. John's just getting the ins andcode needed.
outs of the control surface under his hands now. That's the JAWS
scripting part of it. He's trying to get straight what to tell the
control surface, and how to understand what it's telling him back when
he gives it things to do. So far there's literally nothing to test.
It's the equivalent of him designing the tool which will help him
design the scripts.
On Sun, 03 May 2015 14:52:19 -0500, you wrote:
That's wonderful
I wish I could test these scripts out, I can't seem to get an answer
from anybody, here I sit with my fully appointed test machine, but
with no demo code, I can't do a thing till I get my jaws.
I mean, I have my code for my serial number, and I was under the
impression I could test with the demo, I've written to rishi and John,
but I guess everyone's too busy.
Or maybe my messages aren't getting through, is there ir is there not
a way to test with a demo copy of jaws till my jaws gets here?
On 5/3/2015 2:12 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
John reports the 32- and 64-bit control surface DLL's are ready for
use! Now all he has to do is figure out the interface between us and
the functions the control surface library can call, and the data
which these functions return and how it should be
displayed/presented to us verbally. The concept of a control surface
is the basis of the old CakeTalking product, and it's where a large
portion of the development and testing for X3 and Platinum access
will occur. In fact, many of the things John has already worked on
will be rewritten because the control surface makes performing those
functions easier and more reliable, so there will be less actual
script
