Actually, the thickness depends on where you measure it; thinner (~.5 mils) on top of the trace and much thicker between traces. Between trace thickness varies with trace pitch and can easily be as much as trace thickness + thickness on top of the trace. Aubrey Sparkman Enterprise Engineering Signal Integrity Team Dell, Inc. Aubrey_Sparkman@xxxxxxxx (512) 723-3592 > -----Original Message----- > From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Lee Ritchey > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:37 AM > To: MikonCons@xxxxxxx; weirsp@xxxxxxxxxx > Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Traces don't cause EMI - really? > > > Actually, present day soldermasks are rarely more than 0.5 > mils thick and the er is on the order of 3. The impact on > impedance is quite small. > Lee > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: weirsp@xxxxxxxxxx;leeritchey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Cc: si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: 2/2/2004 8:18:46 AM > Subject: Re: [SI-LIST] Re: Traces don't cause EMI - really? > > > Steve: > > You (and Lee) are absolutely correct that techniques have > changed (for the better), and indeed a "buried microstrip" > will reduce the radiated emissions relative to a surface > microstrip. I also use that technique when appropriate. The > tests I referred to only had a soldermask thickness of ~3 > mils, but the relative dielectric constant was ~5.5. The > present day soldermasks tend to fall in the 1.5-2.0 mil > thickness and have an Er value of ~3.5, which would worsen > the test results I obtained for surface microstrips. > > Equally important is the placement of surface high-speed > traces in-board of the PCB edges. As much as 20 dB reduction > in emissions can be achieved relative to traces very near > (<50 mils) to the PCB edges. My tests were of traces in-board > by more than 500 mils; therefore, the results would have been > far worse for traces near the PCB edges. > > Note that these not so obvious details are critical to > achieving acceptable performance as Lee has reported. Again, > my concern is that less experienced designers will ignore the > radiation potential of surface traces and fail to meet > regulatory requirements without a respin of the PCB. > > > > Mike > > Michael L. Conn > Owner/Principal Consultant > Mikon Consulting > > > *** Serving Your Needs with Technical Excellence *** > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu