David, The problem you will have with this stackup is the lack of interplane capacitance between power and ground planes. This will manifest itself in several ways. Very high ripple on your power supplies when transmission lines switch, potentially very high EMI, unstable operation. It is imperative that you make sure that Vcc and ground planes are close to each other. If you have several different supply voltages, this will mean several pairs of power planes. If you really need that many signal layers, it will be necessary to add plane layers to get it right. Lee > [Original Message] > From: <david.kaushansky@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 1/7/2004 6:40:52 AM > Subject: [SI-LIST] Layer Stackup > > The design I am working has a fairly dense placement. To try minimize my > time in artwork, I would like to add as many routing layers as possible to > my layer stackup. I was thinking of using an 18 layer board of Nelco > 4000-13, with the following stackup: > Signal1 > GND > Signal2 > Signal3 > PWR > Signal4 > Signal5 > GND > Signal6 > Signal7 > GND > Signal8 > Signal9 > PWR > Signal10 > Signal11 > GND > Signal12 > > The skinniest dielectric thickness is 4 mils, all signal layers are 0.5 Oz > copper and plane layers are 1 Oz copper. The fastest signals are 100MHz, > with rise times in 500ps range. > My primary concern is the ratio of 6:12 of plane layers to signal layers. > I usually try to design for a ratio of about 8:10 or 9:9. I know I will > have to be very careful about crosstalk on adjacent layers, but other than > that, what else should I be concerned about? > > Thanks > Dave > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from si-list: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field > > or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: > //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list > > For help: > si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field > > List technical documents are available at: > http://www.si-list.org > > List archives are viewable at: > //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list > or at our remote archives: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages > Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: > http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu > ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from si-list: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the Subject field or to administer your membership from a web page, go to: //www.freelists.org/webpage/si-list For help: si-list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'help' in the Subject field List technical documents are available at: http://www.si-list.org List archives are viewable at: //www.freelists.org/archives/si-list or at our remote archives: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/si-list/messages Old (prior to June 6, 2001) list archives are viewable at: http://www.qsl.net/wb6tpu