Hi Di, they arent bad, just the angle isnt the best for a dog with the porportions the shepherd has. I dont know the guy who took the photos but he seems to be shooting them "from the shoulder", which is fine when you have like a legged terrier like a kerry blue, Irish or Wheaten where they are "up and over"... usually when a photographer does that with a shepehrd, I ask them to "crouch down and shoot him from the hip please" if they dont, I reposition the dog at an "angle" to make him look a little shorter bodied.. If not, then I ask for a 3/4 angle out front and i am sure to stack the rear REALLY Wide ( you lose a lot of angle behind with a 3/4 angle in front shot) Think about it, if the eye is drawn (meaning the picture is positioned) from the shoulder, you see the "dog and every thing back behind it" so you tone it down by posing the dog and a slight angle and viola, problem fixed.. youve shorten him. If you see the dog from the "hip and up", you see the dog as "everything in front of it" which means, get to the back of your dog, mash that hip down to get that topline and make sure his Neck is out of his shoulders and you have that "building the dog up from the back" affect. I didnt realize that you "clever" a photographer until I watched and learned from Wood Wornall in Santa Ynez, CA. He always gets a good photo with his dogs and just a little bit of his coaching made the difference inthe world to some of my win photos. Mike Michael Lynch BlackHawk Farms,LLC www.Blackhawk-farms.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. http://travel.yahoo.com/ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================