the angle is bad and they are at too far a distance. helen and i went through 100's of rolls of film learning to shoot a gsd correctly. you can completely make or destroy a dog with a camera. it's important to look at the individual dog and go for the angle that complements that dog. those photos are all from the same angle and only one of the dogs could even begin to handle that view. bad enough when it's a show photo but you only get one shot at a futurity or maturity with any given dog. sad when the only thing you have to capture the win is a bad photo. diane Diane Strasser Silstra German Shepherds "In dog years I'm dead." - Author unknown <BR><BR>**************************************<BR> See what's free at http://www.aol.com.</HTML> ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================