I bred for 25 yrs., averaging one litter a yr. Never a bloat. My GSD's were kenneled and out & had time in. A Ch. Sire that I used, many yrs back, died of bloat. I believe that his well known sire was behind dogs that bloated. I strongly question food, how they are fed & environment. One of my daughters is a quarter horse breeder.....her lines are based on a well known horse, Impressive Flair. "Feed, Pasture" are a major part of the equation.........she claims. Erika genetics play a bigger part in canine health than where you keep them .....Sherry Willowlake *********************************************************************************** Right you are, Sherry. I came home a few years ago to find a 3 year old bitch dead of bloat in a crate--later found out that her sire AND 3 siblings in her litter had also bloated. The Kid bloated right in front of me--she was 14 and a half--and in the house. And Ketchy (her dam) bloated at 14 in the kennel (I kept her there while in school as she was becoming incontinent)--and her strong character forced her to stay alive till I got home, so we could say good-bye. She died on the way to my vet's, who is 10 minutes away.) Bloat is hereditary. Penny ----- Original Message ----- From: <Elsyd1@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: kenniling & bloat > These are not dogs that are destined to help the breed, no matter where > they > are when they bloat. It is terrible whenever and wherever it happens. It > can > happen when you are not home, when you are on vacation, when you are > looking > the dog straight in the eye. It is easier to save them when you catch it > in > its early stage, but bloat is bloat...these dogs should have no future in > the > breed. We are not losing the best, we are losing the worst. Syd > > > In a message dated 12/12/2008 10:49:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx writes: > We were discussing having to keep dogs in runs and crates, well this is > truly MY biggest problem with kenneling dogs. > > We loose the best of our breed to bloat, because if you don't see it in > the > first minutes, you have no hope at all of saving the dog. > > > > **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and > favorite sites in one place. Try it now. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or > FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the > original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY > MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS > PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY > FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL > BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org > NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ > ============================================================================ > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================