There is such a thing as age related issues, and bloat can be age related. If my Liddy bloats, and she comes from a family of bloaters, I will put her down. She is almost 7, if it happens now, it is age related in part, and she may or may not be strong enough to take it. I would put her down. Bertha was not quite 2 years, I had to see if she could be saved. She is fine. sheila --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx> wrote: From: Kate Syssoloff <rockannand@xxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: kenniling & bloat To: dgshwpromo@xxxxxxxxx, genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: "the list" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 3:21 AM torsioned by the time we got there. Also it had NOTHING to do with money.  I loved both those dogs with all my heart and in my opinion it was just not fair to put a 10-1/2 year old dog through that surgery. In both of these cases I feel that the bloat/torsion had something to do with age. Even when you are right on top of the situation like that it does not always turn out good. Amy Greenhut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a tough call, I've been there and did the surgery on an old dog. I'll never do that operation on any dog again, no matter how old they are. It's just too painful for them. I also would never freeze semen from a dog that was diagnosed with cancer. I've been in that sitiation also. The Vet asked me just before I put him down whether I wanted his semen. It just about broke my heart, quaked the foundations of my breeding program, to lose him. He was my 1st National Futurity Victor and he was only 5 yrs. old. Health in our breed is almost as important as temperament in my books. Kate ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================