I will only say this. Dogs that live in runs are more likely to die from bloat simply because we didn't see that first sign of trouble. If Bertha had ever been a kennel dog, she would be dead now. She was in my kitchen when she got sick, so was I. I just heard of another GSD dropping dead from bloat, he was not quite a year old. All that really matters is that he was largely a kennel dog, was not seen early in the bloat and died in his a co-owner's lap. We were discussing having to keep dogs in runs and crates, well this is truly MY biggest problem with kenneling dogs. We loose the best of our breed to bloat, because if you don't see it in the first minutes, you have no hope at all of saving the dog. And if they are in runs, and not in the house, how can you know what is going on? As a child, with a 50 run kennel to look after, I was never happy about the setup. The runs were in another building from the house, so every now and then we walked into things we were not expecting, including bloated dogs. Each to his own, I know many of us want more dogs than we can fit in our houses, and we live where we CAN have more dogs than we can fit in our houses, but maybe that is not such a good thing. Maybe. Please, my opinion, and nothing more. I am entitled to it. sheila ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================