EH??? This is not true. A true bi color does not have a gray undercoat. A true bi color is just that. BI......TWO ...colors. BLACK.....with some tan "sharp" cut off markings. NO fading or blending into colors. As Ed says....much like a Dobie or Rottie. My bi colors ( G.V. BOSS included ) was solid black with NO markings anywhere except under the tail and partially up his legs. Have had a couple with some gray undercoat and I personally do not consider them a true bi color as there is also often some other tiny shading or blending of colors on the neck, chest, belly.....etc. At first glance they give you the 'impression' of being a bi-color....but truly are not. G.V. BONO was called a Bi Color by many....but having bred him.......in my opinion he was not a true bi color. BONO was ( IMO ) a very dark blanket black and tan that carried the black factor. I don't know that he ever produced any bi colors either??? Edie??? Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.Marhaven.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Greenhut To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; freelist Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:08 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Information on a Bi Color A true bi-color will have a gray undercoat. But out of all the bi-colors that I have had or have now only one had a gray undercoat. So...to me a bi-color is an all black dog with tan legs and feet, always black on the hocks and usually a solid black head but there can be a little tan on the head but not much. Sometimes there will be white on the chest also. Tanya......I will e-mail you privately a picture of Harley and Missy. Harley was the blackest bi-color I have ever owned. Both Harley and Missy has black on their toes. I love black toes, lol. Amy Greenhut ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Hill" <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Information on a Bi Color you'll get lots of different views on what folks believe a Bi-color is...lol...Bi-colors are my favorite of all the color patterns...( I don't own one, go figure)...my view is that� a Bi-color German Shepherd Dog is a�dog with the basic "pattern" of a Dobe or Rott....and he must have BLACK on the�hocks...anything short of this to�me is a black and tan with a blanket...many will disagree...and I may even be wrong, but I don't think so...lol...FB --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Tanya D'Armand <floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Tanya D'Armand <floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > I was having a discussion with someone about what exactly is a bi color. Ok, the dog is mostly black, has a bit of tan on the cheeks, tan on the lower part of the legs but black head.� I was told that a true bi color had a grey undercoat.� Is that true?� Or is there something other I need to be looking for??? The reason is I have a puppy that I personally feel is a very, dark black/tan but someone else says bi.� Help, Tanya D'Armand Jasmine Acres GSD www.jasmineacresgsd.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2008. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================