[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: incorrect Information on a Bi Color

  • From: Edwin Hill <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, freelist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:23:39 -0700 (PDT)

Bi-colors can be tricky, hence the discussion and the different opinions...Bono 
was bred by Carolyn, but the bitch was owned by me and leased to Carolyn...In 
my opinion Bono IS a bi-color.....his dam's genotype was BlkTan/Bi-color....Gv 
Bono's dam had several itters and several puppies were Bi-colors....one of 
these Bi-colors lives about two miles from me. All Bi-colors do not look alike 
just as all sables do not look alike.....because of the other gene for color 
"incomplete dominence" plays a part in many variations in color patterns...So 
while Boss did not look like his Grandson Bono/.....I believe they were both 
Bi-colors.....Bi-colors can have white on the chest...which would give them 
three colors....but the overall color pattern is Bi-color.......I could be 
wrong, but I doubt it...lol...FB
--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: incorrect Information on a Bi Color
To: genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:23 PM


EH???    This is not true.    A true bi color does not have a gray 
undercoat.
A true bi color is just that.   BI......TWO ...colors.    BLACK.....with 
some tan "sharp"  cut off markings.   NO fading
or blending into colors.   As Ed says....much like a Dobie or Rottie. 
My bi colors  ( G.V. BOSS included )  was solid black with NO markings 
anywhere except under the tail and 
partially up his legs.     Have had a couple with some gray undercoat and I 
personally do not consider them a 
true bi color as there is also often some other tiny shading or blending of 
colors on the neck, chest, belly.....etc.
At first glance they give you the 'impression'  of being a bi-color....but 
truly are not.  
G.V. BONO was called a Bi Color by many....but having bred him.......in my 
opinion he was not a true bi color.   
BONO  was  ( IMO )  a very dark blanket black and tan that carried the black 
factor.
I don't know that he ever produced any bi colors either???    Edie???

Carolyn    marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Amy Greenhut To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: 
floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; freelist Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:08 PM
  Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Information on a Bi Color

  A true bi-color will have a gray undercoat. But out of all the bi-colors 
that I have had or have now only one had a gray undercoat. So...to me a 
bi-color is an all black dog with tan legs and feet, always black on the hocks 
and usually a solid black head but there can be a little tan on the head but 
not much. Sometimes there will be white on the chest also. Tanya......I will 
e-mail you privately a picture of Harley and Missy. Harley was the blackest 
bi-color I have ever owned. Both Harley and Missy has black on their toes. I 
love black toes, lol.     Amy Greenhut 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Edwin Hill" <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 
Information on a Bi Color 
  you'll get lots of different views on what folks believe a Bi-color 
is...lol...Bi-colors are my favorite of all the color
   patterns...( I don't own one, go figure)...my view is that� a Bi-color 
German Shepherd Dog is a�dog with the
   basic "pattern" of a Dobe or Rott....and he must have BLACK on 
the�hocks...anything short of this to�me is a black and tan with a 
blanket...many will disagree...and I may even be wrong, but I don't think 
so...lol...FB 
  --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Tanya D'Armand <floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 


  From: Tanya D'Armand <floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > 
  I was having a discussion with someone about what exactly is a bi 
color.   Ok, the dog is mostly black, 
  has a bit of tan on the cheeks, tan on the lower part of the legs but 
black   head.� I was told that a true 
  bi color had a grey undercoat.� Is that true?� Or is there something 
other I  need to be looking for??? 
  The reason is I have a puppy that I personally feel is a very, dark 
black/tan but someone else says 
  bi.� Help, 
  Tanya D'Armand 
  Jasmine Acres GSD 
  www.jasmineacresgsd.com 




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