[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: incorrect Information on a Bi Color
- From: Edwin Hill <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, freelist <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
to me...Bono's black hocks make him a Bi-color...another example is Ch. Joe
Black...many do not believe he is a Bi-color including his owners...both are
Bi's...Now Evan's Big Ben does not have black hocks,,,,so he's a dark blanket
black and tan....just as there are faded pigments in black and tans, there are
differences in color pigments in Bi-colors...but the pattern holds true.......FB
--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: incorrect Information on a Bi Color
To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 4:32 PM
NAW.........he wasn't a Bi - Color. Go to my web site below. He's on the
first page....don't even have
to search.
You can see the color and shadings up around his elbow and upper arm and where
his hocks met
his rear quarters. Shadings of a different color.....even up above his hock
starting on his stifles.
Not a true Bi. Look again........
Bono had a small white patch on his chest......but that is not what I'm talking
about.
His sire was a dark blanket black and tan that carried the black factor.
BOSS just made BONO a darker
blanket black and tan. I know BeBe produced Bi Colors.....but BONO wasn't
one....not with those shadings
of color.
Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Edwin Hill To: marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; freelist Sent: Friday, July
10, 2009 3:23 PM
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: incorrect Information on a Bi Color
Bi-colors can be tricky, hence the discussion and the different
opinions...Bono was bred by Carolyn, but the bitch was owned by me and leased
to Carolyn...In my opinion Bono IS a bi-color.....his dam's genotype was
BlkTan/Bi-color....Gv Bono's dam had several itters and several puppies were
Bi-colors....one of these Bi-colors lives about two miles from me. All
Bi-colors do not look alike just as all sables do not look alike.....because of
the other gene for color "incomplete dominence" plays a part in many variations
in color patterns...So while Boss did not look like his Grandson Bono/.....I
believe they were both Bi-colors.....Bi-colors can have white on the
chest...which would give them three colors....but the overall color pattern is
Bi-color.......I could be wrong, but I doubt it...lol...FB
--- On Fri, 7/10/09, Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Carolyn Martello <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: incorrect Information on a Bi Color
To: genoaktortoise@xxxxxxxxxxx, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "freelist" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, July 10, 2009, 2:23 PM
EH???  This is not true.  A true bi color does not have a gray undercoat.
A true bi color is just that.   BI......TWO ...colors.  BLACK.....with
some tan "sharp" cut off markings.   NO fading
or blending into colors.   As Ed says....much like a Dobie or Rottie.
My bi colors ( G.V. BOSS included ) was solid black with NO markings
anywhere except under the tail and
partially up his legs.    Have had a couple with some gray undercoat and
I personally do not consider them a
true bi color as there is also often some other tiny shading or blending of
colors on the neck, chest, belly.....etc.
At first glance they give you the 'impression'Â of being a bi-color....but
truly are not.Â
G.V. BONO was called a Bi Color by many....but having bred him.......in my
opinion he was not a true bi color.  Â
BONO was ( IMO ) a very dark blanket black and tan that carried the black
factor.
I don't know that he ever produced any bi colors either???  Edie???
Carolyn  marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.Marhaven.com
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Amy Greenhut To: edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc:
floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; freelist Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 1:08 PM
 Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Information on a Bi Color
 A true bi-color will have a gray undercoat. But out of all the bi-colors
that I have had or have now only one had a gray undercoat. So...to me a
bi-color is an all black dog with tan legs and feet, always black on the hocks
and usually a solid black head but there can be a little tan on the head but
not much. Sometimes there will be white on the chest also. Tanya......I will
e-mail you privately a picture of Harley and Missy. Harley was the blackest
bi-color I have ever owned. Both Harley and Missy has black on their toes. I
love black toes, lol.    Amy Greenhut
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Edwin Hill" <edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re:
Information on a Bi Color
 you'll get lots of different views on what folks believe a Bi-color
is...lol...Bi-colors are my favorite of all the color
   patterns...( I don't own one, go figure)...my view is that� a
Bi-color German Shepherd Dog is a�dog with the
   basic "pattern" of a Dobe or Rott....and he must have BLACK on
the�hocks...anything short of this to�me is a black and tan with a
blanket...many will disagree...and I may even be wrong, but I don't think
so...lol...FB
 --- On Fri, 7/10/09, Tanya D'Armand <floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
 From: Tanya D'Armand <floridacracker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >
 I was having a discussion with someone about what exactly is a bi color. Â
 Ok, the dog is mostly black,
 has a bit of tan on the cheeks, tan on the lower part of the legs but
black   head.� I was told that a true
 bi color had a grey undercoat.� Is that true?� Or is there something
other IÂ need to be looking for???
 The reason is I have a puppy that I personally feel is a very, dark
black/tan but someone else says
 bi.� Help,
 Tanya D'Armand
 Jasmine Acres GSD
 www.jasmineacresgsd.com
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