well you and I will just have to live under different rules...dishonest judging is what gives the game a bad taste........not my post...Ed Susan Madlung <stormygsd@xxxxxxx> wrote: you are right.. Ed didn't name anyone.. he blanketed judges in general - opening the door for anyone and everyone to say this judge or that judge is dishonest- it happens already.. I am not so naive to believe that every show, every class is judged strictly on the up and up and without some sort of bias.. to do that the dogs would have to enter the rings alone and owners and doublers remain far far away.. but I do believe that the largest majority of judges enter the ring with the intent to do a good job - I'll just bet not one of them enters the ring saying to themselves "Oh, I see Jimmy over there, well I am going to send him right to BOB".. I do not live wearing rose colored glasses either, but I personally find editorials such as Ed's as not only lacking in constructive criticism, but destructive as well.. I prefer to live by the rule of "if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen" If you find a judge's methods and results unsatisfactory, just don't enter under them, if you have facts that a specific judge is dishonest, then expose them.. but posts like Ed's really accomplish nothing.. except give people a bad taste.. JMHO Sue Madlung - Shadowacre Reg'd German Shepherds http://www.shadowacre.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: confessions of a dishonest JUDGE...long > > > In a message dated 7/3/2006 5:57:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > stormygsd@xxxxxxx writes: > Personally, I think we should tread lightly when calling people dishonest.. > Ed makes a lot of allegations in his post.. but what does he base it on?? > Facts? or supposition? > It is clear that many people believe judge "so&so" is dishonest, but what > facts do you base that on? > when we participate in a sport that requires the results to be determined > subjectively - the interpretations of the standard by an individual - we > should also expect that not everything will be as we see it.. > Black and white?? If that is the case there share the truth , the facts.. > I believe that the case of FL that ended in his being barred from judging.. > came to this conclusion not based on suppositions, based on FACTS.. > > Sue Madlung > > > > Sue > > I went back and re-read Ed post. I can't find where he named anyone but > himself, in a comedic way. If I was to analyze his post, I think he is expressing > a popular believe, in his common entertaining way, based on observation and > plain, good old common sense. > > Sure the results of any show is subjective, but is it too much to ask that > it also be fair, and honest? I don't think that's too much to expect. > > And I may be wrong, but I thought that FL got barred for selling puppies at > a show, not for being unpopular or subjective, both of which, in my opinion, > he is. > > Ileana > Chance favors the prepared mind > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. 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