In a message dated 7/3/2006 5:57:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stormygsd@xxxxxxx writes: Personally, I think we should tread lightly when calling people dishonest.. Ed makes a lot of allegations in his post.. but what does he base it on?? Facts? or supposition? It is clear that many people believe judge "so&so" is dishonest, but what facts do you base that on? when we participate in a sport that requires the results to be determined subjectively - the interpretations of the standard by an individual - we should also expect that not everything will be as we see it.. Black and white?? If that is the case there share the truth , the facts.. I believe that the case of FL that ended in his being barred from judging.. came to this conclusion not based on suppositions, based on FACTS.. Sue Madlung Sue I went back and re-read Ed post. I can't find where he named anyone but himself, in a comedic way. If I was to analyze his post, I think he is expressing a popular believe, in his common entertaining way, based on observation and plain, good old common sense. Sure the results of any show is subjective, but is it too much to ask that it also be fair, and honest? I don't think that's too much to expect. And I may be wrong, but I thought that FL got barred for selling puppies at a show, not for being unpopular or subjective, both of which, in my opinion, he is. Ileana Chance favors the prepared mind ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - URL temporarily deleted due to AOL issues ============================================================================