There are many reasons: the rings are smaller, and many owners cannothandle the specialty rings; owner handlers have a chance of winning:some ab judges haven't a clue so it's a crap shoot; if one of the "fab 7"handlers is there, the ab judge may not know him; sometimes an ab judge might actually know GSDs. At the top of the owner-handler home-work is knowing your judges. We have a list in this area of judges whoonly put up a certain kennel, one that brings up to thirty dogs to a show,all clones of each other because they never go out to breed. In thisscenario the few really good dogs there look so different these judgesjust go with one of the look-alikes. OTOH, even these shows can be abit of fun afterward is you ask the judge about his decision. I have heardanswers such as, "your dog had too much reach for me" ; "your dog wastoo dark"; " I thought your dog might be close to being a coat" ; "your dog'snails were too short ". Yes, these are but a few of the truly wonderfulresponses from judges. BTW, there are some good ones, but you haveto do your homework and listen to those who have been there. Carolyn --- On Tue, 2/8/11, Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: a new question about showing GSD's To: "Robert Freeny" <rfreeny@xxxxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 5:24 PM Are there more owner handled GSD's in the all breed ring. If so why? Terry ________________________________ From: Robert Freeny <rfreeny@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 3:16:46 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] a new question about showing GSD's I would say one reason is that many Golden's are owner handled, and they have a fair shot at winning. As you well know, most GSD are handled by a pro or someone that is a heck of a lot younger than I. This increases the cost of showing GSD . Bob Freeny ________________________________ From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 2:54:51 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] a new question about showing GSD's What makes showing GSD's different than showing Golden's? Why are they hanging on to their entries and we are losing? ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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