I know for myself, I handle my dogs in the All Breed ring for several reasons. The All arounders tend to look for a total package, type, balance, movement, and clean coming and going, not only side gait. Splayed feet, egg beaters, bad temperemnt, lack of breed type will often not win in the all breed ring even though they may have the best side gait. Most all arounders I have found want a balanced dog, with a smooth coordinated gait which opens up without racing around the ring. In addition, most all breed judges hate doubling, where in the Specialty ring your dog is always doubled. Often when I win owner handled it is due t my dogs being trained, and being a "total" dog, and many times judges comment on how well my dogs are trained, and presented since slot of the All Breed judges feel most of the dogs they see are untrained, due to their constant doubling, looking for mommy and they can not properly evaluate them. I have had dogs win at the Specialties, even a R/Best in Futurity bitch, but always handled by a handler since I can not run in the Speicalty ring, nor will my dogs run for me in theSpecialty ring since it truly is a different style of handling, doubling is essential, and a definate different expectation of the judges.. Ann Marie www.amarigsd.com Home of Ch Fairway's Leah v Nadelwald TC ROM OFA Ch Amari's Beware of Foxy Roxy CGC TC OFA Ch Amari's Elizabeth Taylor OFA (Best in Show Bred-By winner) Amari's It's All in the Game (pointed at 8 months & in-training :)) Breeder/Owner of R/Best in Futurity Ch Amari's Ava Gardner TC OFA Ch Amari's Bandit of Broadcreek OFA (Multiple Group Placer) Amari's Blissfull Jazz CGC TDI (Major pointed) Amari's Cinderella von Hornberger (Ch pointed) Amari's Chances Are (Ch pointed) Amari's Ella Enchanted (Ch pointed @ 7 months/Major Reserve @ 11 months) --- On Tue, 2/8/11, Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: a new question about showing GSD's To: "Robert Freeny" <rfreeny@xxxxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 6:24 PM Are there more owner handled GSD's in the all breed ring. If so why? Terry ________________________________ From: Robert Freeny <rfreeny@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 3:16:46 PM Subject: Re: [ SHOWGSD-L ] a new question about showing GSD's I would say one reason is that many Golden's are owner handled, and they have a fair shot at winning. As you well know, most GSD are handled by a pro or someone that is a heck of a lot younger than I. This increases the cost of showing GSD . Bob Freeny ________________________________ From: Terry Cochran <fairway97045@xxxxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 2:54:51 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] a new question about showing GSD's What makes showing GSD's different than showing Golden's? Why are they hanging on to their entries and we are losing? ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. 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