Okay now I think we are getting carried away, we are not talking about non-pure bred GSD and PAL numbers at the national. I do see some of the reasoning behind the dogs with disqualifying faults taking the national awards. Some of you had some great points but if they are allowed to compete in AKC shows are we being prejudice by not allowing them to perform at the national for the big award? White is just a color, hanging ears yea I would hate to see that too but they are German Shepherds and no its not acceptable and shouldn't be for conformation, neither should ears that wave at you, but we wont go there ..... a dog with a disqualifying fault does NOT make it a bad German Shepherd, it could be the smartest most highest ranking dog of the country, it could be hero to someone or a family it saved, its not only looks, its what is in side the loyalty, the working dog, fearless, brave need I go on. Just because it may not win a "beauty" "contest doesn't make it a lesser german shepherd. I personally like pretty and would love to see beautiful German Shepherds in both venues, which I do.... but I also see some Champions that I wonder how they ever became a CH. Like I said I do understand why some are against this, there are some very valid points but I still say that WGDS should be allowed to receive the award at the National. Just my opinion MYJOY SHEPHERDS Joyce Willis -----Original Message----- From: R. Steiner <mobilegrmr@xxxxxxxxx> To: gsd list <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 11:47 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Whites I do have one question tho.....if someone gets a PAL number on a dog that sn't really a purebred GSD, is that dog now eligible for the Obedience ictor award? -Regina GSDs in Somerset, NJ n Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Pharaohsrevenge < haraohsrevenge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > I don�t understand why people are mixing performance and conformation? Performance dogs excel at their sport, they don�t have to be intact and honestly most of them are not conformation dogs. The GV title is to award their achievement as a great performance dog, period. As long as they are pedigreed GSDs that are AKC registered, why shouldn�t they have equal rights in the performance ring at the National? Does their color or floppy ears inhibit their greatness in performance or discount the fact that they earned the award by being the best that day? Does having a DQ make them any less a GSD? I�ve never been at a performance event where a conformation judge went over my dog to deem if it could compete and win in performance. Never seen a wicket come out and a dog excused for being too large or DQ�d because they had an undershot jaw. Listen to yourselves! Performance is not for judging breeding stock, conformation is. Max built the GSD to be a versatile, working dog not to be a beauty superstar, the DQs came way later. Remember � No good dog, can be a bad colour.� > > Donna > ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. 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