I'll give you an answer.......even though I have not left yet, but plan to...It's the same old folks doing the same old thing in the same ole way!  I can be more specific...but not in this "list' forum....it would take too long...and these are not bad folks running the club....but it;s the same names, year in and year out....Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stormy Hope" <Stormy435@xxxxxxx> To: arycrest@xxxxxxxxxxx Cc: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 4:39:48 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Whites What would it take for some of you who have dropped out to "opt" back  in?  What changes would you want to see? Of course, I'm of the belief that in order to change the system, you  have to be back in it, but I really would like to know concrete  changes that would bring members who dropped out, felt  disenfranchised, back in. Stormy Hope On Aug 5, 2011, at 4:24 PM, arycrest@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote: Jim's attitude is the exact reason why I let my PC membership drop a  couple years ago!!!  IMHO it's sad, it's very sad, that he's willing  to see members leave their Parent Club because they have been  disinfranchised, that the REVIEW is the only thing they get out of the  Club, and no one gives a rat's behind. Gayle & the Hooligans! http://www.picturetrail.com/arycrest - Link to The Hooligans Albums ---------- Original Message ---------- From: InquestGSD@xxxxxxx To: jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Whites Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Not to be argumentative....but I wouldn't speak of other dog lovers as  "non existent".  They do exist. We may not have the right answer, or even any answer at all at this  point, but they do exist.  Pretending they don't is rather insulting.  They  exist good enough to pay for their memberships and participation as  fanciers. Just saying..... * Ileana  * Inquest GSD's, Home of : 2 x Sel EX AM CH & Sel CAN CH Karizma's  Cacique of Inquest TC, aka  DEXTER Kaleef's Expensive Date (major pointed) aka  JACKIE In a message dated 8/4/2011 2:55:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jim_barnhart@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I am old  enough to remember when white GSDs were disqualified to compete in  the AKC arena.  I also remember when whites would pop up in a  litter of two B/T parents.  For me ever since then it's been like they don't even exist and I don't miss them.  This issue is so  low or non-existent on the agendas most of my conformation peers  that I cannot believe that it is even an issue.  Jim  Barnhart = = = = = = = = = = =================================================================POST  is Copyrighted 2011.  All material remains the property of the ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011.  All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post.  This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org  SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================