I do not remember the sable color ever being shunned. Grand Victor CH. Yorkdom's Pac, in fact , was a silver sable. This was in the early 60s. There were many silver sables then, yet I have not seen one in many years. I had one, a litter mate to GV Donna. Both parents black and tan although GV Bonnie Bergere was quite washed out in color. BTW, a true sable will always have the "monk's mask" This is true in any breed even though it may be concealed under the guard hairs if the skull. Lang Skarda showed some fabulous sables. He enjoyed doing the "unthinkable", showing to GV an almost miniature shepherd and finishing a very impressive "blue". Carolyn ________________________________ From: "barbara17236@xxxxxxx" <barbara17236@xxxxxxx> To: ELG440@xxxxxxx; Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 12:41 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What this "white" person brings to the table I remember when the next GSD color to be shunned were the sables. Before they became so popular in the breed at shows. How black and tan folks would make little snipes at the sable folks on the internet. After that, black coats were on the list. Now, you see more and more black coats at shows and in the Review. If color wasn't really so important, why are some show dogs dyed? Did the better coloring give the dog better structure and movement? Why were the white spots/blazes on chests dyed dark? But, now we see dogs with a pretty obvious white blaze on their chest? Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: ELG440 <ELG440@xxxxxxx> To: Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:28 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What this "white" person brings to the table It is a part, but not the whole dog. So far in conformation we don't look beyond the color. Why does that sound like the 50s? Evan L. Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German Shepherds _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 2/4/13 9:43:43 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I thought they WERE judged on how close they are to the Standard now??? The color of their coats IS part of the Standard is it not?? ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. 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