It's a personal preference. Same here, Kathy:) When I became involved with whites they were not a DQ in Canada. Many whites have been shown in the CKC (Canada) and have earned CKC CH points. Some were close to finishing their CKC Championship when the color was changed to a DQ. Whites have always been showable in the UKC (United Kennel Club) as German Shepherds. And, before everyone starts with the UKC comments you may be interested in knowing that the majority of dogs being shown in UKC today, also compete at AKC shows. I am talking about AKC Champions and Group winners. Some GSD show folks on this very List compete in UKC with their AKC CH German Shepherds. As far as allowing the white to go off and become a separate breed - Honestly, I cannot understand why any GSD breeder would even consider this. Why have breed DQs at all? Just have all of a breed's DQs renamed and turned loose to go off and show at AKC as a GSD with another name. How would they really NOT be a GSD? Let's have the Floppy Ear American Shepherd, instead of the GSD DQ of hanging ears? How about One Nut Wonder Shepherds? How about the American Blue Shepherd Dog? Or, the US Liver Herder? They wouldn't be competing directly against GSDs at breed level but how will you feel when the FEAS beats you in group? How will you feel when the FEAS is more popular than the GSD in AKC standings? Becoming a separate breed is not the answer. This makes absolutely no sense to me, a white owner. A German Shepherd by any other name is still a German Shepherd. Barb Hively - PA DNA. It's what makes a white, a German Shepherd -----Original Message----- From: Pinehillgsds <Pinehillgsds@xxxxxxx> To: marhaven <marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; ELG440 <ELG440@xxxxxxx>; Showgsd-l <Showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:23 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: What this "white" person brings to the table For now anyway <G>. You know, I don't dislike white dogs. I put them in the same category as a few hundred other dogs I wouldn't breed or own. It's a personal preference. That doesn't mean the dogs can't be owned by nice people and deserve a wonderful life. Of course they can and of course they do! Still...I don't want one. What I don't understand is why someone would choose a particular breed and then choose, deliberately, to breed FOR a disqualification. I lump breeders that breed for disqualification all together, no matter if their are breeding miniature this or tea cup that or spotted something else, and I have no respect. Sorry, none. Actually...I'm not sorry. Still none. As has been mentioned previously, one of the "white" factions who wanted to go off and form their own breed was treated badly...so let them leave and form their own breed like they have done in other countries. (Please, don't send 100 e-mails about the different factions, my eyes will just glaze over and truthfully, I don't care.) I will feel exactly the same way about the 100s of other breeds I see at dog shows that I have absolutely no interest in owning. But God bless, enjoy, love the dog, I'll clap for your specials and wish you well. OR...let them all in. Put it to the membership BEFORE making arbitrary changes though, LIKE arbitrarily changing the performance award rules. THAT was the wrong thing to do. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 2/5/2013 1:55:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I thought they WERE judged on how close they are to the Standard now??? The color of their coats IS part of the Standard is it not?? Carolyn marhaven@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.marhaven.com ===========================================================================POST is Copyrighted 2012. 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