This is always a little hard to understand. Tedi did a great article about color, it was published in the Review. We had a bitch with a double sable gene. She was a sable, since if a dog or bitch carries the sable gene, that is expressed in their color, which is sable. Even if they have but one sable gene and one for black, black and tan, or even blue. Now, a sable can carry one sable gene and one black and tan gene. They will appear as a sable. If they are bred to another dog with a sable gene and a black and tan gene, any puppies without the sable gene will be black and tan. Any puppies with two sable genes will be sable. Any puppies with one sable gene, will appear sable. Here comes the tricky part. If the bitch, (like ours) with a double sable gene produces puppies, since one of the genes they get is from the dam, and they have to get one gene from her, they will all be sable. Some might carry the sires gene for black and tan, but since one of the genes will be sable, they will all appear sable. To confuse everyone, there is a white masking gene on the alle, that will hide the color. So, a white might be a true sable, a true black, a true black and tan, but appear as a white. If you understand that, you need to get help soon. It is not meant for mortals to understand. Lord knows, I am confused. Evan L. Ginsburg gsyrfund.com Asgard German Shepherds _http://www.asgardgsd.com_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Where Type Movement and Temperament come together In a message dated 2/7/13 10:27:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, TISHW@xxxxxxx writes: Sable is a dominant gene but sable parents can carry a bl & tan gene also and a puppy could get that gene from both parents and be a bl & tan. The puppy would not carry a sable gene. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================