[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The club problems, as I see it

  • From: carolyn mckenna <carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: Joan Fox <campaigners@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, skozub@xxxxxxxxxxx, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:39:06 -0800 (PST)

    Kathy,  this was originally a statement about fault judging.  Reread,
  as I, too, bragged about every dog that was brought up on this list
  as one of the winners. Also, as for being a poor looser, my bitch was
  not shown, much to my dismay,  as my handler turned in his armbands
  ( after determining that it would not break the major ) and I could not
  convince him to show her , or any of his others. Regardless. how can
  something be so misconstrued is beyond me.  I also said that he found 
  the really nice WD.  Then he chose a very nice one for reserve. The rest
  was not opinion, but facts, placings, how the WB looked compared to the
  others in BOB.  Guess I just am used to the objective purpose of the  K 9
  mental judges list, which is designed to address the pros and cons of
  any judge a person asks about.  Incidentally, I have never posted a
  detrimental opinion of any judge.  Again, this was aimed at the premise
  that fault judging often puts the mediocre up front.  
       If this offended you or anyone else, I appoligize.  You know, what really
  started this was another lister who posted that this was the worst  example 
of judging she had ever seen. No one jumped on her.  I  merely gave what I felt 
was the reason ( fault judging ) and examples,  and all H--- broke loose.
                                     Asking forgiveness,
                                               Carolyn
Joan Fox <campaigners@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:                Sandra did not post 
that Kathy. Please reread.
   
  -------Original Message-------
   
    From: Rbuffdogs@xxxxxxx
  Date: 01/12/06 12:21:08
  To: skozub@xxxxxxxxxxx; carolynmckenna@xxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The club problems, as I see it

   
   
  In a message dated 1/12/2006 5:54:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
  skozub@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
  We  claim
  >   to be for the betterment of the breed, but I wonder  if most are just
  > for the win
  >   no matter what the  cost to the breed.  Sigh
   
   
   
  Sandra
  When you say "WE" you are impugning everyone in the breed.  Please do  not
  speak for all of us.
      Also while I too,  have watched judging , many  times I didn't like or
  agree with, or my friends didn't agree with, your PUBLIC  post on this judge,
  and YOUR perceptions of his shortcomings, was rude and very  poor 
sportsmanship.
    If you had done this at ringside, you would have been  facing a Bench Show
  Committee.   How would these PUBLIC comments make  me feel if I were an
  exhibitor at this show, and happened to win a class or take  points?
  Maybe the judge saw things from INSIDE the ring that your could not.   Don't
  know.  Don't care.
      You site that it is these types of things that  close down clubs, and
  cause a lack of interest.  But I must say, your one  sided interpretation of 
the
  judging and dogs at these shows, in a public forum  is just as distasteful.
  NOBODY likes a poor loser, and we have all watched  and wondered at 
shows..but,
  to use the List, for your critique of this  judge and entries , where many
  members are judges, where the brags  about by the winners were posted only a 
few
  days earlier , was in very  poor taste on your part.  As far as your tirade
  regarding the judge and the  winners
  "Frankly My Dear......"
   
  Kathy Tank
   
   
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