It is my understanding that the long coat is a fault because it is not conducive working in the field, it would get snagged on the thistle, burrs etc. The color white DQ because they would blend in with the sheep, I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. The standard was written based on a working herding dog and what it was required to do, herd all day, hence effortless motion etc. I am not in favor of changing the standard, long coats are a fault as is missing teeth, etc. they can still be shown in a regular class and take their chances like the rest of dogs who compete with a fault. I have seen beautiful long coats and fluid movement from them, like every other dog they need to be judged against what is in the ring on that day. Because the German Shepherd is so versatile they not only herd, but are used for Police Work, seeing eye dogs, they are performance dogs in obedience, agility etc. and in the performance venue I do not see where color or coat texture is an issue and correct me if I am wrong but there is no coat type or color restrictions when showing in performance. It is true that time has evolved and the GSD is not used for herding as much, but it is still what they were bred and still should be bred to do and being that versatile dog can also do the police work and the performance venues. Some dogs bred today can't do it all but there are some that can and they closely resemble the standard. No matter if we change the standard or not people will breed what the judges put up or what they preceive the standard to mean. So why change it. JMHO MYJOY SHEPHERDS Joyce Willis -----Original Message----- From: Bokenkampgsd1 <Bokenkampgsd1@xxxxxxx> To: TISHW <TISHW@xxxxxxx>; DOGSRLUV <DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx>; wynsum <wynsum@xxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 11:36 am Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: The STANDARD is a moving target But, and its a big BUT, we have always allowed it, no specs on the coats at all. So why just try to remove the fault at all?????? olly n a message dated 1/28/2013 10:18:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, ISHW@xxxxxxx writes: ell, I don't believe it is quite the same. The Germans have specified a articular kind of coat which is allowed - not all long coats - and those ay not be shown in competition with a normal coat nor may they be bred to a ormal coat. ish ===========================================================================OST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original uthor and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind re permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the howgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its dministrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any ost. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER F ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL ARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A IOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html ATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ =========================================================================== ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================