True Kathleen, I know not exactly the same. It appears they may be trying to develop a variety? Deb In a message dated 1/30/2013 6:37:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, inflight@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Well, I don't believe it is quite the same. The Germans have specified a particular kind of coat which is allowed - not all long coats - and those may not be shown in competition with a normal coat nor may they be bred to a normal coat. In a message dated 1/28/2013 11:15:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx writes: Good Point. The SV NOW ALLOWS... WE have always ALLOWED. It is simply a fault. The SV still says it is a fault? Correct, but just allow it to be shown. So we were ahead of the game on that one, right? I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong...LOL Deb And what makes you people think that changing the standard is going to do a damn thing to make these dogs and their people "more" inclusive?????? Changing the standard to include stockhair or blue eyes, or roached backs, or akita heads, or husky tails, or any other specific KNOWN FAULT isn't going to change the ability of the judges to judge by the Standard. Most of them should be retired from the ring, be required to review and answer a standard test that isn't open book, and they should be required to have continuing education delivered by a BREEDER who is not affiliated with handlers, or the Good Ol' Boys club. Maybe then you'd get some effectiveness and change why people have left this breed. Yes dog entries are down all over, but how is it that it's just German Shepherd Dogs who are struggling to get entries. Check the statistics of other breed nationals -- their people are still coming. And it's not only about money -- How many of the people who finally said, "I do not like the direction of this breed, I do not like the direction of the leadership of this club" and left resigned their decades long memberships have been asked why they left? I've been a member of the Arabian Horse Association for less than a year, and they're already asking me how I like my membership, they want input. Including whites into the breed is a bad choice. Their purists want to be their own breed. And as long as they're not using colored GSD's to build their stock, then they should be allowed to have their own breed like they are in other parts of the world. Then they are not our problem anymore. Changing the standard is a weak, lily livered, bandaid approach to a far greater problem. Figure out why your members are leaving, why people are not willing to spend their $$'s to show GSD's but are willing to spend as much or more on showing other breeds or other animals, and you'll be doing something. Figure out why long time members are leaving the club -- and be willing to change to fix THAT problem and maybe you'll get out of this mess. But changing the standard is the absolute wrong thing to do, and will further drive the people away. Happy 100th Birthday GSDCA. Kathaleen INFLIGHT -- breeder of a few good ones, dedicated 25 year member (-3 months for the fiasco that 875 other members were also dropped). ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2012. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. 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