In all honesty I have been too busy to pay very much attention to this list but for some reason I did read this thread and am glad I did. Talk about confused! Now I don't have a clue how the point systems work or anything like that but here is a newcomer's point of view... We bitch because there aren't enough dogs showing to make points or majors or however that works, regardless, not enough dogs showing, shows are too small, etc...but yet we also bitch because people want to keep showing dogs that already have what they need. What is wrong with showing for the fun of it (I know, *gasp*, dog people view showing differently than horse people), a grand free for all where all dogs are allowed to show and may the best one win? Just wondering! -- Michelle LaFay pawsitivelycaring@xxxxxxxxx http://www.truthaboutvaccines.org ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================