Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="ca4.be9ebaa_alt_bound" --ca4.be9ebaa_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Shiloh Shepherds are not GSDs. The Shilohs fought for this designation and also mixed other breeds and lines into their dogs. These are not just large GSDs, they are Shiloh Shepherds. Considering all of the "bad blood" created by this group (The Shilohs) and how they use GSD health issues and the looks of showline dogs as a selling point of their dogs and claim that today GSDs are not what they should be (hense the reason for the creation of this new breed) I would think it would not be a good idea to give GSDCA award to this dog. Let the Shiloh clubs give an award to this dog or other organizations. This is not a GSD, it is a Shiloh Shepherd. Here are some links to read about what the Shiloh is supposed to be, read the opinions on OUR dogs and on German Imports. Is this something you want to support? Would the Shiloh clubs give and award to a GSD for the same heroism? _http://www.shilohshepherds.info/intro.htm_ (http://www.shilohshepherds.info/intro.htm) _http://www.shilohshepherds.info/whatIsAShilohShepherd.htm_ (http://www.shilohshepherds.info/whatIsAShilohShepherd.htm) Quote: "Admittedly, movement IS a very important part of the OVERALL BEAUTY of these animals, but each dog should be judged as a WHOLE!! Most fanciers were satisfied when the dogs did NOT SHOW ANY AGGRESSION (or protective instincts) because as "SHOW DOGS," they had to be subjected to MANY INDIGNITIES with a variety of handlers and judges checking teeth, tails -- TESTICLES, etc -- The dogs had to become SUBMISSIVE ZOMBIES that could RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES "LOOKING PRETTY." Intelligent dogs like LONDON subjected to this kind of a lifestyle would soon end up DISTRAUGHT and DEPRESSED! How would YOU like being kept in a cage most of your life -- and only "fussed" over after you ran around the ring a few times and won a ribbon!!? Some men may enjoy working at "CHIPPENDALES" flexing their muscles for a group of bored housewives -- and some women may choose to become PLAYBOY BUNNIES -- BUT!!! If that was ALL they were good for-- and children were only produced from the "most popular" pairs -- how many generations would it take for the "human race" before they all turned into "POWDER-PUFFED MINI-SPOOKS?" It took less than 20 years of breeding back to the "modern" German Shepherd to water down the intelligence of the Hobo dogs!! In a conversation with Mr. Eisenmann last year, we were informed of the TERRIBLE TEMPERAMENT AND SMALL SIZE that these dogs were now experiencing!! We have already taken steps to help Chuck BRING BACK the "London" dog -- WITH THE EXACT FACE MARKINGS -- AND ALL!!" She is referring to the TV Dog Star London BTW. This link explains how they are genetically different and explains the MAW factor _http://www.shilohshepherd.org/origin.html_ (http://www.shilohshepherd.org/origin.html) Now, while I think many of these dogs are very beautiful and I respect many of the breeder's dedication to health testing and breeding information these dogs are NOT GSDs, they are their own breed. I am sure that many a GSD can be found that has performed such an act of heroism. JMO, sorry so long Cherri Stan says "De asini vmbra disceptare" Eastgsd Cherri Pursell _www.eastgsd.com_ (http://www.eastgsd.com/) Thom's GSDs NJ ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. --ca4.be9ebaa_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset= =3DUS-ASCII"></HEAD> <BODY id=3Drole_body style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #004000; FONT-FAMILY:=20= Georgia" bottomMargin=3D7 leftMargin=3D7 topMargin=3D7 rightMargin=3D7><FO= NT id=3Drole_document face=3DGeorgia color=3D#004000 size=3D3> <DIV>Shiloh Shepherds are not GSDs. The Shilohs fought for this designation=20= and=20 also mixed other breeds and lines into their dogs. These are not just large=20 GSDs, they are Shiloh Shepherds. Considering all of the "bad blood" created=20= by=20 this group (The Shilohs) and how they use GSD health issues and the looks of= =20 showline dogs as a selling point of their dogs and claim that today GSDs are= not=20 what they should be (hense the reason for the creation of this new breed) I=20 would think it would not be a good idea to give GSDCA award to this dog.&nbs= p;=20 Let the Shiloh clubs give an award to this dog or other organizations. = =20 This is not a GSD, it is a Shiloh Shepherd.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here are some links to read about what the Shiloh is supposed to be, re= ad=20 the opinions on OUR dogs and on German Imports. Is this something = ;you=20 want to support? Would the Shiloh clubs give and award to a GSD for th= e=20 same heroism?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"http://www.shilohshepherds.info/intro.htm";>http://www.shil= ohshepherds.info/intro.htm</A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A href=3D"http://www.shilohshepherds.info/whatIsAShilohShepherd.htm"= >http://www.shilohshepherds.info/whatIsAShilohShepherd.htm</A></DIV> <DIV>Quote:=20 <P>"Admittedly, movement IS a <I>very </I>important part of the OVERALL BEAU= TY=20 of these animals, but each dog should be judged as a WHOLE!! Most fanciers w= ere=20 satisfied when the dogs did NOT SHOW ANY AGGRESSION (or protective instincts= )=20 because as "SHOW DOGS," they had to be subjected to MANY INDIGNITIES with a=20 variety of handlers and judges checking teeth, tails -- TESTICLES, etc -- Th= e=20 dogs had to become SUBMISSIVE ZOMBIES that could RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES "LOOK= ING=20 PRETTY." Intelligent dogs like LONDON subjected to this kind of a lifestyle=20 would soon end up DISTRAUGHT and DEPRESSED! How would YOU like being kept in= a=20 cage most of your life -- and only "fussed" over after you ran around the ri= ng a=20 few times and won a ribbon!!? Some men may enjoy working at "CHIPPENDALES"=20 flexing their muscles for a group of bored housewives -- and some women may=20 choose to become PLAYBOY BUNNIES -- BUT!!! If that was ALL they were good fo= r--=20 and children were only produced from the "most popular" pairs -- how many=20 generations would it take for the "human race" before they all turned into=20 "POWDER-PUFFED MINI-SPOOKS?"</P> <P>It took less than 20 years of breeding back to the "modern" German Shephe= rd=20 to water down the intelligence of the Hobo dogs!! In a conversation with Mr.= =20 Eisenmann last year, we were informed of the TERRIBLE TEMPERAMENT AND SMALL=20= SIZE=20 that these dogs were now experiencing!! We have already taken steps to help=20 Chuck BRING BACK the "London" dog -- WITH THE EXACT FACE MARKINGS -- AND=20 ALL!!"</P> <P>She is referring to the TV Dog Star London BTW.</P> <P> </P> <P>This link explains how they are genetically different and explains the MA= W=20 factor</P> <P><A href=3D"http://www.shilohshepherd.org/origin.html";>http://www.shiloh= shepherd.org/origin.html</A></P> <P> </P> <P>Now, while I think many of these dogs are very beautiful and I respect ma= ny=20 of the breeder's dedication to health testing and breeding information these= =20 dogs are NOT GSDs, they are their own breed. I am sure that many a GSD=20= can=20 be found that has performed such an act of heroism.</P> <P> </P> <P>JMO, sorry so long</P> <P>Cherri</P> <P> </P> <P> </P></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DGeorgia size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10"><= IMG SRC=3D"cid:X.MA1.1174502756@aol.com"; height=3D81 width=3D61 border= =3D0 DATASIZE=3D"1765" ID=3D"MA1.1174502756" ></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face= =3DGeorgia color=3D#004000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" PTSIZE=3D"12"> Stan say= s=20 "</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DGaramond color=3D#008000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SE= RIF" PTSIZE=3D"12">De asini vmbra disceptare</FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DG= eorgia color=3D#004000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" PTSIZE=3D"12">"<BR><BR>Ea= stgsd<BR>Cherri=20 Pursell<BR><A href=3D"http://www.eastgsd.com/";>www.eastgsd.com</A></FONT><FO= NT lang=3D0 face=3DGeorgia color=3D#004000 size=3D3 FAMILY=3D"SERIF" PTSIZ= E=3D"12"><BR>Thom's=20 GSDs NJ</FONT></DIV></FONT><BR><BR><BR><DIV><FONT style=3D"color: black; fon= t: normal 10pt ARIAL, SAN-SERIF;"><HR style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 10px">AOL now off= ers free email to everyone. 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