In a message dated 12/7/2004 11:35:11 PM Mountain Standard Time, susan-sullivan@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: some-not- so-smart breeders who will be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Some won't even be able to recognize the correct answer when told. But isn't that the way it is already? ----------------------- So...what you're saying...is if I don't breed to a nice dog, even if he carries a genetic problem...and breed to another nice dog instead who DOESN'T carry a genetic problem, I'm not-so-smart and throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Hmmm...well, I guess that's what I am then. I want nice dogs who are HEALTHY aaaaaannndddd produce it in their offspring. When each pup born has a 50/50 chance of carrying DM (for example, since that was the particular issue we were just discussing) approximately 50% of the litter (give or take, it's all averages) will carry it. Hopefully we test them and find out, and "breed around it", as was said earlier. But...one of them's nice, even though he's a carrier, so we breed him. Each of his pups will also have a 50-50 chance of carrying the same problem. Down the line there's going to be someone who either doesn't know or doesn't care that there's a test, and some of those offspring are gonna be bred and produce DM. Why keep it in your lines if you can get rid of it?? It's just like right now. There are dogs who produce dead tails, dragging toes, bad temperaments. You can see trends in offspring of certain dogs, just by watching a show and checking the catalog. Yes, some of the offspring are just drop-dead gorgeous--if you can get past the issue. No way will I breed to a dog who produces major issues, I don't CARE if he throws superstars. I will find another nice dog instead. Call me not-so-smart if you want, I don't particularly care. What I care about is the health of the puppies I produce. Liz in Utah puppy page updated 11/2/04--exciting litter on the way! http://hometown.aol.com/rckyiizard/index.html ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================