WOW with all these things in our GSD's makes ya wonder why we bother to breed at all! Deborah Gebhard Solana Shepherds,MI ----- Original Message ----- From: <DaniaKarloff@xxxxxxx> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:35 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Ruining the breed in three generations. > > In a message dated 12/8/2004 2:08:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, > RckyIizard@xxxxxxx writes: > It's just like right now. There are dogs who produce dead tails, dragging > toes, bad temperaments. You can see trends in offspring of certain dogs, > just > by watching a show and checking the catalog. Yes, some of the offspring are > just drop-dead gorgeous--if you can get past the issue. No way will I breed > to > a dog who produces major issues, I don't CARE if he throws superstars. I > will > find another nice dog instead. > > > ================================================================ > Liz, > I think that what Susan and Tom are trying to say is that while you may be > avoiding all together the issue of DM, there is more to breeding a good GSD > than just eliminating DM. Dogs have a myriad of genetic problems we want to > avoid: esophagus problems, hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia, autoimmune disease, > heart murmurs, pancreatitis, dentition problems, bite problems, off colors, > missing testicles, von Willebrands disease, retinal dysplasia, thyroid > problems, dwarfism, epilepsy, pannus, hernia, hemophilia, deafness, cleft palate, > and many others. And please note that I am not even mentioning structure > problems such as correct front assembly, proper rear angulation, correct croup > angulation, good feet, good proportions, erect ears, etc., and I am also not > including temperament and intelligence factors which are genetic and very much > part of a correct GSD. > > Now, if you were to have a gene marker for each of these problems, it is > unlikely/impossible that you would be able to find that "Ohhh so perfect dog > that was not a carrier of any of the problems mentioned above and was also > structurally correct." So, I believe that both Susan and Tom are talking about > having to make wise choices about what you can and you can't avoid and what you > are willing to risk and what you are not willing to negotiate... and much of > that will depend on your bitch and her own genetic background. > > While I think DNA gene markers will be a wonderful tool to be used by > responsible and caring breeders - I don't believe they will be "the solution" to > all of dogs' problems. And... more than ever... I think that Fred Migliore has > the right response when he says "Breeding is an art form not just a > scientific experiment" > > Dania > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. > > For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx > > VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org > ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2004. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================