I'm not being critical, I'm being honest in what I see, and hey, I'm not trying to scare new people away, I try and bring my younger friends to shows, my brother is supposed to sign on to a Vizsla soon. I'm not the only one who sees these things, I've had private conversations with those who feel the same, but they won't post those feelings to the list because they feel they've been ignored. What would you like me to do? Lie to the people and tell them "it's perfectly acceptable" when it is not? Not a good way to get more people into showing. The people in obedience who cheat or no better than those who cheat in conformation, or schutzhund, or any other dog sport...I just haven't met any of the cheating obedience or schutzhund people yet. - Jackie In a message dated 12/20/2006 1:23:07 PM Central Standard Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Jackie..it doesn't sound like you have much positive to say. As i told you before..it is easy to be critical when you feel like you don't belong. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2006. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================