You make some very good points on how clubs can help support major entries in dropping costs. All breed shows really need to look at their costs of entries too. In doing this maybe judges will lower their costs too. We have been real fortunate to have some specialty judges give our club some excellent prices on judging which allows our club to survive. Terra Fairburn Keggi Fair German Shepherds Terraf@xxxxxxxxxxxx www.keggifair.com -----Original Message----- From: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chsweetsun@xxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:04 AM To: jkerner@xxxxxxxxx; caggra@xxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] My Thoughts: Re: interesting For what it is worth, I think that overall costs have gone up and people just are not in any frame of mind to consider spending close to $500 a weekend to show 2-3 dogs. When I say Frame of Mind, I mean the world events such as War, Terrorism, Economy, etc. The Art of Showing Dogs is a Hobby and it is Gambling. It is addictive when you win, It is Addictive when you breed a litter to produce some of the best in the country and see them winning their "beauty pageants", it is Addictive to have your peers surround you with excitement. So, you take the fact that "other external things" in the world are on your mind AND compile it with a minimum chance of winning, plus the high costs, you will see less and less people showing. Now, when our local club has a show the members that have pups or any dogs to put into the ring will usually get enough to make the major. We all pull together and cheer each other on. We have some super handlers locally that will give us very decent breaks on showing our dogs to help hold the majors. But, that is 2 shows locally a year. I could NOT imagine showing every weekend or every other weekend ever again. Clubs should drop the costs back to $5or so, for a puppy & bred by exhibitor and handlers should drop the costs of showing these dogs as well as Novice classes. Owners should get themselves back in gear to showing their own dogs. Vicky Proved it can be done. You just have to make the effort. Granted..not all of us are in shape to do this, but those that are, get out there and do it. It really is FUN inside the ring. I do it as often as I can, even tho I don't make the dogs look good. I know I would do it more if I could afford to enter them. Perhaps if we could get other All Breed shows to start doing this, even if it 1 or 2 shows a year here and there. I'm a Psychology Major. You cannot take any person and beat them down with no positive returns and expect them to consistently pay for it and continue. Tari Kridler Home of 2003 Amer & Can GVX Kridler's Ruby and her Father 2 x Sel. Amer & Can Ch. Kridler's Quno @ http://www.kridlersgermanshepherds.com the New List(all Welcome for Bragging, Advertising, and Learning) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CHGermanShepherdShowDogsList/join -----Original Message----- From: jkerner@xxxxxxxxx Could we think about some other factors for a moment also? As Jeff indicates rightly, oft times handlers and their clients help to build entries to make a major.....and they do so unselfishly, knowing that they may not be awarded the points at a given show. So also, some folks decide to pull their entry when they discover which other dogs are entered at a show. Not often, but sometimes. Additionally, if a handler chooses not to go to a specific series of shows, it means that most of his clients will not go either. This diminishes the numbers of entries because: Where a handler goes, his string of clients usually go. Sometimes, but not very often, a client may choose to hire another handler and go to the shows anyway. (Provided the other handlers have not already booked their own steady clients or have the classes filled because they have built the entry to make the major. A handler is not usually willing to take another handler's client/dog instead of his own client's dog if the choice has to be made.) And sometimes the handler has his own breeding program to advance............... so he/she is currently campaigning his/her own dogs or those dogs in which he has an invested interest. And almost everyone involved, because of expense and other numerous reasons, do not enter shows randomly. Clients usually enter because they believe they have a reasonable opportunity to win the points. Otherwise, they sometimes think, why go if not to win the points. It is too expensive to just "give the dog ring experience" most of the time. There are other reasons, of course, why entries are low. What do you suppose these other reasons might be? Jane Kerner ----- Original Message ----- From: caggra@xxxxxxx Oh...and I forgot to add that the major show in Cleveland last weekend, Nick & I showed like 13 dogs that day to help build a major.....we did not get a major. Others did. So it had nothing to do with us getting others to enter so that we would benefit from it. There are people out there that do not do everything selfishly. We could have gotten one of the majors and that would have been great...would have finished one of a couple of the dogs we showed. It didn't happen though and we are thrilled for the winner's. They were nice dogs too. It could have gone either way and next time if karma is on our side, maybe it will go our way. :) Jeff ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. 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