I realize that the current illustrated standard is somewhat outdated, but I question the concept of changing it because our dogs don't look like that anymore...Are you saying we need to change the standard to meet the dogs we are currently showing because they don't meet the standard? I'm all for updating the illustrated one to match the written one and I believe we have improved technology to do so successfully. But to make the pictures look like what we are showing today is in effect changing the standard to meet the dogs. That is not a good thing to do. Perhaps we need to look at the dogs we are showing next to the standard and analyze and correct them through breeding to more closely reflect the standard not the other way around. That is the whole purpose of a standard. I do want the judges to look for a dog that matches the written standard whether that dog looked more like the standard in the fifties or today. Susan From: LeBrowngsd@xxxxxxx Subject: Re: Illustrated Standard/ IMPORTANT!! Because the old one is about 50 years old and our dogs don't look like those pictures any longer. I think when judges are going to study a new breed the first thing they look at is the visuals they get from the PC. It is not just our breed but most breeds no longer look like they did 50 years ago. I studied many breeds in the last 10 years and it is very interesting to see their current illustrated standard and then going back in old books and seeing what they look like but then. Some are so different they don't even look like the same breed. Do you need any more reasons or are you convinced we need a new IS? Do you really want the judges to go in the ring looking for a GSD that looks like the one of 50 years ago? Lee Brown Susan w. Sullivan Firethorn Farm German Shepherd Dogs Where Form Follows Function ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================