When we were campaigning our Multiple BIS/BISS Ch. Mt. Maples Bewitched at White Oak (SAMMY) we also saw the nasty side of Jim. From the day we started showing our bitch we admitted she had a missing premolar. OMG you should have heard the attacks that man (Jim) made on the bitch. And yes you could not argue the fact she had a missing premolar but besides that the bitch was structurally very correct and she had breed type to die for. If you would check the record book I would be willing to bet that no GSD in the last 15 years has challenged to compete against Jimmy as well as this bitch. But Margaret and I also have tuff skin and if we believe in something we go for it. To this day I believe we brought to the ring a show dog that belonged. With hardly any advertisement and some personal medical difficulties the bitch went on to win 30+ Best in Shows despite the power of Jimmy knocking her everyday. Sammy lost in points that year to Jimmy and a very nice bitch (Belle Starr) at the very end of the year but it was all worth it. We did an awful lot with far much less $$$ being spent and were able to show that we also had a dog worth the show world seeing. I guess the funny part that I chuckle about today is the genetic pool of the dogs being promoted today by this influenced handler probably has more trouble with missing teeth than the bitch that was so attacked. In closing I can also say Ch.Mt. Maples Bewitched at Oak has produced two small litters and she will ROM and all the offspring have all there teeth. In closing let me say I respect the mans ability to win. How he goes about it when someone else competes with him I dont respect. And I have said all along you can not go to a handler and take his word on his animal. He is PAID to promote his dog and yes maybe to be critical of what he competes with. So iam not mad at all I believe it goes with the territory and good judges, exhibitors, breeders, etc. should be able to see thru these actions. Scott Trahan Home of BIS Sammy and GVX Godiva PS: I just hope that the people who have the ability to do right by the breed will. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2007. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - www.showgsd.org ============================================================================