I've seen both; the puppy you know is a coat the minute it's born who grows up to be a fluff ball and the one that has you scratching your head that grows up to have a soft, silky coat w/ little or no undercoat. My Jim son carries the coat factor and he has produced both types; the coated puppy with and without an undercoat. I'm sure mom has a lot to do with it <G>. A CH I bred/co-own (all Am. lines) produces the silky, what I would call broken-coated type of long coat. In his litter there were two puppies that I went back and forth over...coat? not a coat???? It didn't matter to the companion homes, but now that I get photos of grown up dogs, definitely coats, lol! But little to no fluff...long, silky, collie type hair. Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 7/14/2009 7:50:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, izakabuska@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I, too, have kept a long coat or two over the years. They have always had undercoats (trust me). And, please, I am not trying to discredit German lines; but the few German-bred dogs I have seen do not appear to have an undercoat. Their guard hairs look "thinned-out" because I do not see an undercoat. I'm sure I am wrong, but I'm not blind, and this is what I saw. Comments, anyone ? Iza Kabuska http://www.Karizmashepherds.com who had the best long-coat in the world - Karizma's Gallina ROM ----- Original Message ----- From: "showgsd" <showgsd@xxxxxxx> To: <DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx>; <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:37 PM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: GSD long coats and plush coats...there a difference? > On Jul 13, 2009, at 7:59:51 PM, DOGSRLUV@xxxxxxx wrote: > > I have kept 2 > long coats in my 45 years and both had double coats, I hear they don't > usually but I have never seen one that does not have a double coat just > soft.... > My first GSD was a long coat and she did not have a double coat...just > long silky top coat...absolutely no undercoat. And boy, she sure did not > shed very much. She was my first obedience dog & first GSD and made be > fall in love with GSDs. > > Kay Springer > www.showboatgsd.com > Home of Multi BISS & Multi Group Winning > Ch. 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