Interesting...I know who the BIG time handler/breeder/judge was <G>, and I read w/ interest Maryellen's article in the Review about dogs that can't jump in the van (at specialties)....our entries declining, other breeds going up while we still are #2 in registrations... I don't entirely buy the economy argument...the handling fees don't help, but other breeds find a way...and have you taken a child skiing lately? Easily a $200 day, more if you eat/drink in the lodge. Anything you do for recreation is expensive... I've not had extreme dogs, and for the life of me I don't know how those that do sell puppies into pet homes...I just sent a nice family to a couple in their state (no names) and they sent back an e-mail asking what on earth was wrong with the dogs' back legas? Now, I can discuss our standard with the best of them, and although most don't breed "just" to make companion puppies, you have to be able to do something with the puppies you don't keep.... And to those who knock AB shows...try staying for the groups. It's a very different atmosphere and wow (!!!!) have I learned a lot from breeders in other breeds. : Kathy, member GSDCA, DVGSDC Celebrating generations of Dual Titled TC'd Champions visit _http://www.pinehillgsds.com/_ (http://www.pinehillgsds.com/) In a message dated 4/4/2012 12:25:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, arcturus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: I'm reading this thinking about how a new person would view this. $50. to enter, a handler fee and expenses and then if they didn't win...do you really think they would come back? and if they did, how many times would they have to lose before they lost interest? I also think the comments about the excellent quality of the dogs at the specialties was interesting. I was just at a speciality and overheard a big time handler remark that if the "dogs in the ring were in a pet owners backyard, the neighbor would be asking what's wrong with the German Shepherd?". While I understand the "neighbor" is not knowledgable about German Shepherds, I think the handler makes a valid point. So, if you're that newbie who just spent $200. for a dog show, and your neighbor is asking "whats the matter with your dog? " What do you think the newbie is going to do? He can't point out all the wonderful champions in his dog's pedigree, because his neighbor is already laughing at him and acting like he's a dumbass for buying into this. Just something to think about. Sue T. ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. This group and its administrators are not responsible for the comments or opinions expressed in any post. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://showgsd.org SUBSCRIPTION:http://showgsd.org/mail.html NATIONAL BLOG - http://gsdnational.blogspot.com/ ============================================================================