I agree Chris. I have never and will never have an issue co-owning. I co-own with those I trust and those I consider part of my friend-family. The stories I hear about co-ownership issues, fighting, lawsuits etc are beyond ridiculous. Those are people that I am betting have issues in many other areas of their lives - work, social, etc. and those aren't the people I chose to surround myself with and certainly not co-own with. I would never put a dog, splitting a litter, or money over the importance of a relationship with a friend I care about. If it even started to turn into that I would simply say "ok" and let it be. Unfortunately there are obviously a lot of dog show people that do not have it in them to do that. Too much ego or just simply too selfish. I don't hear as much about people suing each other as I used to. There are people who have more experience than I do with that...those who have been involved in many many lawsuits. <vbg> Not sure what they get out of it in the end, win or lose. Jeff Pyle Windfall -----Original Message----- From: Chris S. Kimerer <tanbarkgsd@xxxxxxxxx> To: ELG440 <ELG440@xxxxxxx> Cc: The List <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wed, Apr 4, 2012 12:08 pm Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: co-ownerships- was Can't we all just get along? � van brings up an interesting point.� I too have heard of some horrendous o-ownership stories, and AKC actually recommends not doing co-ownerships.� BUT, or me personally, I've had good experiences.� I have been fortunate n�co-owning dogs with great people, and I too, find it enjoyable to share in he joy of the wins, as well as the thrill of titles, breedings and puppies down he road.� I could not do all that I do & have done with the dogs if it were not or some of the great co-owners I've had. here are some people/personalities that should not co-own dogs, and hopefully, hose individuals stay away from co-ownerships.� :) Chris hris S. (Jolley) �Kimerer ww.tanbarkgsd.com rCh. Tanbark's 2MuchBling�Joelle Aramist OFA H/E rCh. Trotwood's Emerald v Tanbark Joelle Aramist OE Sel.Ex.Ch.Carousel Farms Samantha, PT, TC OFA H/E h. CaralonQED JD Drew Bleibtreu,�RN�OFA H/E h. Cresther's Blast of Kenlyn, HI, CDX, OFA >________________________________ From: "ELG440@xxxxxxx" <ELG440@xxxxxxx> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2012 10:42 AM Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Can't we all just get along? Times� like this make me appreciate what it must feel like to be a� breeder.� Good job, Asgard Kennels......and, thanks� again!! I was thinking this morning, something that is always dangerous for� me.� I have been involved in so many fights over co-ownerships for clients, and� so many of the German shepherd people contact me to sue other exhibitors or breeders. It often is on the List that there are problems with co-owners. The� AKC has a department that deals with fights over co-owners.� I talked to� the AKC yesterday about a problem for a client. Yet, my experience has been nothing but fantastic. We have co-owned with� Paula, Twyla, and even Summer's family.� We have never had a problem, and� now we have a dog we co-owned until he finished, Icon.� Nothing could have� been greater than to co-own with the Drapers who worked so hard for the� championship on Icon. They have allowed us to share in that fun, and they did� all the work. I wonder if we should just give more credit to the co-owner, instead of� trying to find a way to claim glory for ourselves.� I have never found a� co-owner to be a problem, but rather they take on the burden, and do nothing ut good things for us and our dogs. Perhaps I have just been lucky, but I think having a co-owner is the best� way to share the good times, and make more friends.� I think I would rather� co-own a super-star, than to do it on my own.� It just makes it more� fun. Maybe that is just me, but why not enjoy with others? 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