Everything starts at home. You commit to not showing dogs with faults, and it becomes mind boggling when the organization responsible for upholding our standard comes with such a bonehead idea. But, as you will put it, there are people showing dogs out there with all kinds of faults, temperament, poor sex characteristics, and on and on.....and bragging, and posting. Bottom line, long coats can show at any show today. They don't need a special class. They are not the problem. Poor judging is. * Ileana * Love me, love my dogs. In a message dated 6/20/2012 1:29:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: Locked hocks, bad temperament , serious faults of gait, bad bites cannot improve the breed. They should not win but often do. Longcoatedness does not harm the breed but is overly penalized. There are MANY MANY times I have seen and even had long coats ..beautiful specimens, except for that one small issue..coatedness. Yet I watch nearly every weekend people wildly applauding dragging rears, bad temperament, racing around the ring because make em go slow and they fall apart, lack of secondary sex characteristics...and people are ostracized for showing a coat. Are you kidding me? One of the FINEST GSDs I ever saw was Sel Ch. Happyanunoit's Sister.."Toddy" Jagans Hot Option. She was a brilliant rep for the breed..exceptional..but ooopsie a coat... No body would ever show her..because she would never get a look. But boy did people clamor to lease her. Including the dogs that actually may BENEFIT our breed is not a detriment.. making it more the "norm" in time to show them, may encourage people to show that otherwise would not. I still see no harm in it. It is amazing how reluctant some are to try anything new, especially in a time when majors of 12 dogs are hard to get, and people are not showing for various reasons and AR is making doing anything with dogs damn near impossible. INCLUDE more, everyone benefits...exclude and stick with the same old , same old, and we will no longer have a 5 pt major at our Nationals... Adapt, move ahead, think out of the box..or die out as a club and a sport and a fancy...pretty simple to me. Bring on the longcoats...I look forward to them!! Maybe the protest from some is well founded? Maybe it's fear of competition? We all know that coats , much to any breeder's frustration almost always have the best front, bone, heads, temperament...ugh what is up with that? LOL. Never fails, though. kathy *http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com* *Updated: May 2012* *CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan **CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle * *RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef* * * *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" > A locked hock should not win. So, let's have a class for locked hocks. > > A bad bite should not win. So, let's have a class for bad bites. > > > Dogs bad going away should not win. So, let's have a class just for dogs > that are bad going away. > > It will encourage a lot more people to show, allow them to bring out dogs > that would not be shown. It will increase the entries and make more money > for the club. > > Don't dumb down the standard just to make a winner. > > On the other hand, if it makes someone happy, I am all for it. > > > > Evan L. Ginsburg > Asgard German Shepherds > http://www.asgardgsd.com/ > Where Type Movement and Temperament come together > > ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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