is this supposed to make anyone feel "included"?????? Hopefully the Chinese don't start showing GSD's and we need to do what they are doing ......they also force abortions......what a can of worms that would be, eh? Lets focus, talk about the dogs and the standard. Long coats can show at any show, any day. There is no need for a special class. * Ileana * Love me, love my dogs. In a message dated 6/19/2012 11:40:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rbuffdogs@xxxxxxxxx writes: Evan, It is no secret to anyone that you do not like the Germans, the way they do anything in dogs for the most part, or the dogs. Keep in mind my hubby is German , lol. I do have some understanding as why you with your family history would like to dis include or involve any idea that may have originated in Germany. I cannot actually understand your history as I do not have it...however I can in fact understand the long time dislike of something that caused so much pain .....I can. However, this is about INCLUDING and making it easier for people to compete. I see every show weekend, somewhere, dogs with HUGE faults of gait , and type going up. HUGE. Not all by any stretch, but we have all seen them, groaned and scratched our heads. We have all been there. So to encourage people to show a coated dog, is in that vein, not so bad. It may increase participation (especially by pet owners that were sold "Mr Perfect Except a Coat". It may help flailing clubs get more members, and more entries. It may help our National which is growing smaller and smaller. It may increase Membership..equalling new people! I can think of no valid reason, not one , not to do this. The fact that the Germans , Dutch, Italians , and our own WDA do it, aside...It could be quite good for the club and the breed and new comers. By the way, how is that gorgeous red Mercedes you drive, let's see that is an American car, right? Only teasing..I love them too..and Porsches...wow. Kathy *http://www.victorygermanshepherds.com* *Updated: May 2012* *CH. Elvaston's Nations Cup TC, 26 BOBs CH. Victory's Leviathan **CH. Garter's E-Male of Fran-Jo Anne Isle * *RBIF Monarch's Tarragon v Kaleef* * * *"Victory...*Vires et honestas" On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:22 PM, <ELG440@xxxxxxx> wrote: > In a message dated 6/19/2012 4:07:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > helenfranklin520@xxxxxxx writes: > Long coats give us our beautiful plush coats. All CHANGE is met by some > with a negative resistance. Why did the Germans see their importance and > adopt this new class for competition? > > If the Germans jumped off a cliff, would you? We don't make coats more > important by giving them a class. We should encourage judges to judge the > dog, as well as the coat. Read the standard, it does not call for a collie > coat. Use the coats for breeding, and if good enough put them in the > classes. > > Don't offer a lesser class so they can win. It is a false picture of our > standard. > > It is just like my solution for locked hocks. Just change the standard to > require locked hocks. We eliminate the fault in one move. > > > > > > > Evan L. Ginsburg > Asgard German Shepherds > http://www.asgardgsd.com/ > Where Type Movement and Temperament come together > > > ============================================================================ > POST is Copyrighted 2011. All material remains the property of the > original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS > of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author > AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. > > Each Author is responsible for the content of his/her post. 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