Sally..I understand your frustration..but you are judging the Canadian national...you judge our breed..certainly you can't feel disenfranchised? I +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Christine My judging has nothing to do with the club it has to do with my love of the dogs. Other then a section on the judges application (a long time ago) where I had to fill out what clubs I belonged to the PC is not been involved in my judging at all. I think if people would honestly reply an awful lot of members are very frustrated and feel disenfranchised by the PC. For many years each time a new group of officers and board members were elected we offered our help and guess what we were never used. It is the same people all the time on all the committees. Just take a look at the futurity judge requirements- Many of the top people in the breed can not judge a futurity because they do not meet the requirements. Ridiculous-- After a few years of this you get to the point where you say OK this is the way it is I can survive and do it with out them or you just drop out of the club. Quite truthfully the last few years of being on this list is the first time I felt that we had any say at all in the way the club function because we now know what is going on. I don't think new people to the breed say to themselves - what can I give the club But more like what will the club do for me to help me on my way. It is after years in the trenches you finally say I know enough and am good enough to give back now. So the club must find more ways to help the new people. and then eventually they will give back to the club sally ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================