[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2013 AUDIT LETTER DATED 0CT.13,2013

  • From: "Joan Fox" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "campaignersgsd@xxxxxxxxx" for DMARC)
  • To: "dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "john.lacher@xxxxxxxxx" <john.lacher@xxxxxxxxx>, "showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:03:42 +0000 (UTC)

I remember we paid for the Treasurer to take a Quick Books course. What 
happened to that?
 Joan F. Fox17500 Haskins Rd.Chagrin Falls, Ohio 44023tel: 
440-759-4119http://www.campaignersgsds.com
 

     On Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:40 PM, Val Manning 
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
   

 I get the official audit stance, but what about the basic itemized category 
reports? The basic - in the first quarter of 2014 (or 2013, or 2012, or 2011) 
we took in $$$ from X that was applied to Y's income and we paid $$$ for this, 
that, and the other thing that was applied to Y's expenses. Then in the 2nd 
quarter - the same thing, and no and on until at the end of the year - we have 
the annual itemized category report. This is a no brainer...... it is basic 
bookkeeping. 
After the itemized reports, I would like to see the breakdown on the budget 
past the first level - I know that each committee is supposed to present a 
budget plan for their activities, then they roll up to the bigger headings. 
What about a quarterly report on where these committees are in relation to 
their budgets? I realize for most, they will be in a deficit position most of 
the year until the National, but it would be nice to see what activities are 
being done throughout the year instead of the blanket white page we receive at 
the Annual meeting that is pretty meaningless.   
Yes our National is the biggest expense, but it is only one committee and there 
doesn't seem to be any accountability within it's realm. Nothing is itemized 
(to the general membership), past the National heading. Then what about the 
rest of the committees that act throughout the year? The GSDCA is much more 
than just a show committee.
To be informed and engaged in an organization takes transparency. It is past 
the time for this club - I realize our elected officers and board of directors 
work hard for the GSDCA, but the smoke and mirrors must be taken down.  

Val Manningterranorte@xxxxxxx
www.ranchoterranorte.com

-----Original Message-----
From: John Lacher <john.lacher@xxxxxxxxx>
To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Jan 29, 2015 9:55 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2013 AUDIT LETTER DATED 0CT.13,2013

 I agree Evan. The audits or for that matter the treasurers report not being 
done because the officers or Board of Directors are stonewalling is 
inexcusable.  Reports not submitted in a timely manner to the membership shows 
a complete lack of responsibility.  John Lacher
 Oroville, CA 
 Tele: 530.566.4757
 Fax: 530-846-5159
 GSDCA / GSDC Sacramento Valley

      On Jan 28, 2015 11:03 PM, "Redacted sender ELG440@xxxxxxx for DMARC" < 
dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
 
     I didn't read the audit letter.  I have never gone to the private areas of 
the club.  However, I remember my years on the board. It was always, "The audit 
has not been completed" or, "We are waiting for more information", or "There 
are reports to add into the audit so it can't be completed".  That always was 
the report from auditors.       I suspect the same thing is going on. Dave is 
probably right, there are too many hands in the financial affairs of the club. 
But,instead of making the same mistake over and over, it is time to correct it. 
      Or we can follow Einstein's theory of insanity and do the same thing over 
and over expecting a different result.      Evan L.Ginsburg 
Click here: 2014 GSDCA NATIONAL - THE UNOFFICAL NATIONAL SITE
Click here: GSD Youth Recognition Fund
Click here: Welcome to Asgard's German Shepherds     In a message dated 
1/28/2015 9:03:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:  
 You're  right Dave, things may be very explainable.... But I believe the Duck 
Theory is usually correct.... "If it walks like a duck, and it quacks like a 
duck, it's probably a duck" Ed

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 From: David Fritsche 
 To: freelist 
 Sent: January 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM 
 Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] 2013 AUDIT LETTER DATED 0CT.13,2013 
 
  I just read it and do not think it proves anything other than that we have 
not done a good job of providing all the records an auditor would need to do 
their job. Of course that can be explained by some nefarious activities, but it 
could also be explained by there being too many people handling records, 
dispersing funds, depositing funds and either not keeping good records or 
misplacing them. It is not a new problem in terms of our leadership being 
delegated to committees, etc., but it is a problem.  Before we decide what the 
problem is, we might want to let the wheels of authority work with the auditors 
to get it together. I am confident that once they know they will communicate 
the solution. Did a forensic asset search recently involving a fellow who owned 
over a billion dollars in assets. Turned out he had no assets at all. All the 
companies that he controlled were not owned by him at all. Appearances can be 
deceiving. The audit trail will find the problem. That is what it is for. We 
shall see…. Dave     
 
     From: showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:showgsd-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 7:40 PM
To: dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Fwd: 2013 AUDIT LETTER DATED 0CT.13,2013     I read 
that letter twice and I'm not going to pretend I understood everything I read, 
but it left me with the impression that " Sumtin ain't right". The person who 
put  that on the member only website has " BIG ONES".....white dogs, yeah or 
nay, are NOT the problem! Ed Hill


 

  
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