[ SHOWGSD-L ] 2013 AUDIT LETTER DATED 0CT.13,2013

  • From: "Evan Ginsburg" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> (Redacted sender "elg440@xxxxxxx" for DMARC)
  • To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:55:14 -0500

Val's solution is too simple to expect a group of 12 to agree.

I remember Kathy Steen telling me for years they lost money at the door for 
entries at the National. Then they got a cash register, and the next year they 
made quite a bit.

I do not accept all the excuses. At the same time I have such faith in Frank 
and the board, that I am not going to criticize. However, if this club were a 
business, they would have gone out of business years ago. It is through work 
and dedication of some many of our members that we survive.

Evan
 
 
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From: Val Manning <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: john.lacher <john.lacher@xxxxxxxxx>; showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thu, Jan 29, 2015 9:41 am
Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2013 AUDIT LETTER DATED 0CT.13,2013


 I get the official audit stance, but what about the basic itemized category 
reports? The basic - in the first quarter of 2014 (or 2013, or 2012, or 2011) 
we took in $$$ from X that was applied to Y's income and we paid $$$ for this, 
that, and the other thing that was applied to Y's expenses. Then in the 2nd 
quarter - the same thing, and no and on until at the end of the year - we have 
the annual itemized category report. This is a no brainer...... it is basic 
bookkeeping.    
   
   
   
After the itemized reports, I would like to see the breakdown on the budget 
past the first level - I know that each committee is supposed to present a 
budget plan for their activities, then they roll up to the bigger headings. 
What about a quarterly report on where these committees are in relation to 
their budgets? I realize for most, they will be in a deficit position most of 
the year until the National, but it would be nice to see what activities are 
being done throughout the year instead of the blanket white page we receive at 
the Annual meeting that is pretty meaningless.       
    
    
    
Yes our National is the biggest expense, but it is only one committee and there 
doesn't seem to be any accountability within it's realm. Nothing is itemized 
(to the general membership), past the National heading. Then what about the 
rest of the committees that act throughout the year? The GSDCA is much more 
than just a show committee.   
    
    
    
    
To be informed and engaged in an organization takes transparency. It is past 
the time for this club - I realize our elected officers and board of directors 
work hard for the GSDCA, but the smoke and mirrors must be taken down.      
     
     
      
      Val Manning     
      
terranorte@xxxxxxx      
       www.ranchoterranorte.com     
     
     
     
     
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 From: John Lacher <john.lacher@xxxxxxxxx>     
 To: showgsd-l <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>     
 Sent: Thu, Jan 29, 2015 9:55 am     
 Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: 2013 AUDIT LETTER DATED 0CT.13,2013     
      
      
       
I agree Evan. The audits or for that matter the treasurers report not being 
done because the officers or Board of Directors are stonewalling is 
inexcusable.  Reports not submitted in a timely manner to the membership shows 
a complete lack of responsibility.       
       
John Lacher       
 Oroville, CA        
 Tele: 530.566.4757       
 Fax: 530-846-5159       
 GSDCA / GSDC Sacramento Valley       
        
       
       
          
       
 On Jan 28, 2015 11:03 PM, "Redacted sender        ELG440@xxxxxxx for DMARC" <  
      dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:        
        
                  
                     
            I didn't read the audit letter.  I have never gone to the private 
areas of the club.  However, I remember my years on the board. It was always, 
"The audit has not been completed" or, "We are waiting for more information", 
or "There are reports to add into the audit so it can't be completed".  That 
always was the report from auditors.           
           
                        
           
            I suspect the same thing is going on. Dave is probably right, there 
are too many hands in the financial affairs of the club. But,instead of making 
the same mistake over and over, it is time to correct it.           
           
                        
           
            Or we can follow Einstein's theory of insanity and do the same 
thing over and over expecting a different result.           
           
             
           
            Evan L.Ginsburg            
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                 In a message dated 1/28/2015 9:03:34 P.M. Pacific Standard 
Time,                 edwinx@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:                
                
                 You're  right Dave, things may be very explainable.... But I 
believe the Duck Theory is usually correct.... "If it walks like a duck, and it 
quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck" Ed
 
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                   From: David Fritsche                   
                   To: freelist                   
                   Sent: January 28, 2015 at 8:39 PM                   
                   Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] 2013 AUDIT LETTER DATED 0CT.13,2013   
               
                  
                   
                    
                    I just read it and do not think it proves anything other 
than that we have not done a good job of providing all the records an auditor 
would need to do their job. Of course that can be explained by some nefarious 
activities, but it could also be explained by there being too many people 
handling records, dispersing funds, depositing funds and either not keeping 
good records or misplacing them. It is not a new problem in terms of our 
leadership being delegated to committees, etc., but it is a problem.            
        
                    
                    Before we decide what the problem is, we might want to let 
the wheels of authority work with the auditors to get it together. I am 
confident that once they know they will communicate the solution.               
    
                    
                    Did a forensic asset search recently involving a fellow who 
owned over a billion dollars in assets. Turned out he had no assets at all. All 
the companies that he controlled were not owned by him at all. Appearances can 
be deceiving. The audit trail will find the problem. That is what it is for. We 
shall see….                   
                    
                    Dave                   
                    
                                        
                    
                   
                  
                
               
                  
                                
                                  
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               I read that letter twice and I'm not going to pretend I 
understood everything I read, but it left me with the impression that " Sumtin 
ain't right". The person who put  that on the member only website has " BIG 
ONES".....white dogs, yeah or nay, are NOT the problem! Ed Hill
 
 
                              
            
 
 
           
           
            
             
              
 
              
               
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