[rollei_list] Re: Rollei SL2000F and 3003: Quality
- From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 15:58:28 -0300
The specific technical info about the 2000F developing in the Report
3 has German technical terms and I'm not sure about some words
translations, however it's clear that the 2000F and the SL 35E had a
parallel developing and a significant number of electronic parts
designed for the SL 35E were used for the 2000F too, since the SL 35E
was manufactured in Singapore, it's easy to guess some 2000F parts
were manufactured in Singapore initially. BTW , there also is in the
book pretty info about the SL 35E developing and their prototypes (f.e
two images compare the electronic Rollei shutter with the electronic
Seiko shutter), info linked someway to the 2000F but I don't think to
enter there.
Prochnow does write that due to the SL 2000 had the highest quality
standard as Rollei top model product, it was not planned to change the
production to Singapore: "... Bedingt durch den außergewöhnlich hohen
Qualitätsanspruch als Rolleis Top-Modell war keine
Fertigungsverlagerung nach Singapore geplant...." .
Carlos
2010/3/30 CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>:
> Dirk:
> Anyway I did a very short summary regarding the info in the
> Report 3, there are references about the initial bad criticism the
> camera received from some journalists and several other info I did not
> include in the summary, I'll read again the text tonight to enlarge
> it.
>
> Carlos
>
> 2010/3/30 <Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx>:
>> Of course when I hear about the production of the first batches of the
>> SL2000 to highest quality standards I have to mention that there have been a
>> lot of quality issues in the first batches.
>>
>> I got one with a serial no. starting with 6 (someone should know which year
>> this means, I have forgotten the internal code).
>> Honestly spoken, all cameras with the 6 should have been returned and
>> overhauled.
>>
>> It is also not true, that the production was fully in Germany.
>>
>> Many parts came from Singapore, and they were used to assemble the camera in
>> Germany. The film magazines came fully from Singapore. Well, the magazines
>> had also a major issue of light leaks and double exposure.
>> After the insolvency of Rollei and the continuation as Fototechnic it was
>> also an issue for them to make the parts themself as there was no more a
>> Singapore plant.
>> I bought my Rollei 2000F directly from the liquidator (i.e. from Rollei
>> Deutschland) when Rollei Fototechnic started operation. This was a batch
>> which had remained with the liquidator, although it was agreed that
>> Fototechnic should make production and marketing of all 2000F. Fototechnic
>> was not really happy about these types of business of the liquidator.
>> Anyway, I had full warranty, and later on, Fototechnic had to fix all issues.
>> Finally, I got the body 5 times changed because a lot a bugs could not be
>> fixed directly.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Dirk
>>
>>
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>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von CarlosMFreaza
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. März 2010 16:36
>> An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei SL2000F and 3003: VERY LONG
>>
>> The 2000F was not a Rollei internal invention, it was a prototype presented
>> to Rollei as Heinz Waaske presented the Rollei 35 prototype, with the
>> difference the Rollei 35 prototype was almost ready to production, the
>> photographs shown in the Report 3 and the work that Prochnow made with
>> others to develop the prototypes are not bogus, anyway it is not impossible
>> the architect Franzmann took the idea from some previous camera.
>>
>> When you asked me about that contact with Prochnow he already was very ill,
>> he wrote me at the time that Rollei was something very far away in the time
>> to him.
>> BTW a beer is always a good thing.
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> 2010/3/30 Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> And, again, this is bogus, Carlos. The few remaining Zeiss Ikon
>>> records -- and the few Zeiss Ikon executives of the time who are still
>>> around -- make that certain. Yeah, RolleiLunatics really DO want to
>>> believe the 2000F was an internal invention but the surviving
>>> historical record makes this a really bogus claim.
>>>
>>> Back when Prochnow was alive, I asked you to put me in touch with him
>>> over this issue, and you failed to do so. I really would have enjoyed
>>> sharing a beer with you and Prochnow and Wolf Wehren over the demise of
>>> Zeiss Ikon.
>>> We all would have learned a lot!
>>>
>>> If this is NOT true, why did Zeiss Ikon present a working SL 2000F at
>>> the
>>> 1972 Photokina? One of our List members picked it up and played with
>>> it, and it worked.
>>>
>>> If you want to agree that Zeiss Ikon passed on a one-off hand-made
>>> camera to Rolleiflex in 1974, I have no problem. But the camera did
>>> work -- again, one of our members used it and it worked for him -- and
>>> then Rolleiflex had to reinvent the wheel to turn this into a
>>> commercial product, I have no problem -- there is a surviving memo to
>>> the Zeiss Foundation from Zeiss Ikon in 1971 spelling out the problems
>>> they would have in producing this in real-time.
>>>
>>> But to suggest, as your RolleiFanatics do, that the SL 2000F was an
>>> internal Rollei development is so much gibberish. Let us accept the
>>> magnificent efforts Rollei made to perfect an imperfect Zeiss Ikon
>>> product. The historical record on this is clear. Let us not ever
>>> disregard the work of Prochnow but he was just flat wrong on this.
>>>
>>> You have not read my book?
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>>>
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