[rollei_list] Re: Rollei SL2000F and 3003: Quality
- From: Eric Goldstein <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:01:20 -0400
The Rollei 35s were not bad... I've had no trouble with my German.
Eric Goldstein
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:57 AM, CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> After to read the previous messages, my conclusion is that the only
> reliable product made by Rollei along the history was the Twin Lens
> Reflex.
>
> Carlos
>
> 2010/3/30 <Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx>:
>> Of course when I hear about the production of the first batches of the
>> SL2000 to highest quality standards I have to mention that there have been a
>> lot of quality issues in the first batches.
>>
>> I got one with a serial no. starting with 6 (someone should know which year
>> this means, I have forgotten the internal code).
>> Honestly spoken, all cameras with the 6 should have been returned and
>> overhauled.
>>
>> It is also not true, that the production was fully in Germany.
>>
>> Many parts came from Singapore, and they were used to assemble the camera in
>> Germany. The film magazines came fully from Singapore. Well, the magazines
>> had also a major issue of light leaks and double exposure.
>> After the insolvency of Rollei and the continuation as Fototechnic it was
>> also an issue for them to make the parts themself as there was no more a
>> Singapore plant.
>> I bought my Rollei 2000F directly from the liquidator (i.e. from Rollei
>> Deutschland) when Rollei Fototechnic started operation. This was a batch
>> which had remained with the liquidator, although it was agreed that
>> Fototechnic should make production and marketing of all 2000F. Fototechnic
>> was not really happy about these types of business of the liquidator.
>> Anyway, I had full warranty, and later on, Fototechnic had to fix all issues.
>> Finally, I got the body 5 times changed because a lot a bugs could not be
>> fixed directly.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Dirk
>>
>>
>> Phone: +49 531 295 2545
>> Mobile: +49 172 295 4416
>> Fax: +49 531 295 2550
>> E-mail: Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von CarlosMFreaza
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. März 2010 16:36
>> An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei SL2000F and 3003: VERY LONG
>>
>> The 2000F was not a Rollei internal invention, it was a prototype presented
>> to Rollei as Heinz Waaske presented the Rollei 35 prototype, with the
>> difference the Rollei 35 prototype was almost ready to production, the
>> photographs shown in the Report 3 and the work that Prochnow made with
>> others to develop the prototypes are not bogus, anyway it is not impossible
>> the architect Franzmann took the idea from some previous camera.
>>
>> When you asked me about that contact with Prochnow he already was very ill,
>> he wrote me at the time that Rollei was something very far away in the time
>> to him.
>> BTW a beer is always a good thing.
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> 2010/3/30 Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> And, again, this is bogus, Carlos. The few remaining Zeiss Ikon
>>> records -- and the few Zeiss Ikon executives of the time who are still
>>> around -- make that certain. Yeah, RolleiLunatics really DO want to
>>> believe the 2000F was an internal invention but the surviving
>>> historical record makes this a really bogus claim.
>>>
>>> Back when Prochnow was alive, I asked you to put me in touch with him
>>> over this issue, and you failed to do so. I really would have enjoyed
>>> sharing a beer with you and Prochnow and Wolf Wehren over the demise of
>>> Zeiss Ikon.
>>> We all would have learned a lot!
>>>
>>> If this is NOT true, why did Zeiss Ikon present a working SL 2000F at
>>> the
>>> 1972 Photokina? One of our List members picked it up and played with
>>> it, and it worked.
>>>
>>> If you want to agree that Zeiss Ikon passed on a one-off hand-made
>>> camera to Rolleiflex in 1974, I have no problem. But the camera did
>>> work -- again, one of our members used it and it worked for him -- and
>>> then Rolleiflex had to reinvent the wheel to turn this into a
>>> commercial product, I have no problem -- there is a surviving memo to
>>> the Zeiss Foundation from Zeiss Ikon in 1971 spelling out the problems
>>> they would have in producing this in real-time.
>>>
>>> But to suggest, as your RolleiFanatics do, that the SL 2000F was an
>>> internal Rollei development is so much gibberish. Let us accept the
>>> magnificent efforts Rollei made to perfect an imperfect Zeiss Ikon
>>> product. The historical record on this is clear. Let us not ever
>>> disregard the work of Prochnow but he was just flat wrong on this.
>>>
>>> You have not read my book?
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>> msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>>>
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