[rollei_list] Re: Rollei SL2000F and 3003: Quality
- From: CarlosMFreaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:57:17 -0300
After to read the previous messages, my conclusion is that the only
reliable product made by Rollei along the history was the Twin Lens
Reflex.
Carlos
2010/3/30 <Dirk-Roger.Schmitt@xxxxxx>:
> Of course when I hear about the production of the first batches of the SL2000
> to highest quality standards I have to mention that there have been a lot of
> quality issues in the first batches.
>
> I got one with a serial no. starting with 6 (someone should know which year
> this means, I have forgotten the internal code).
> Honestly spoken, all cameras with the 6 should have been returned and
> overhauled.
>
> It is also not true, that the production was fully in Germany.
>
> Many parts came from Singapore, and they were used to assemble the camera in
> Germany. The film magazines came fully from Singapore. Well, the magazines
> had also a major issue of light leaks and double exposure.
> After the insolvency of Rollei and the continuation as Fototechnic it was
> also an issue for them to make the parts themself as there was no more a
> Singapore plant.
> I bought my Rollei 2000F directly from the liquidator (i.e. from Rollei
> Deutschland) when Rollei Fototechnic started operation. This was a batch
> which had remained with the liquidator, although it was agreed that
> Fototechnic should make production and marketing of all 2000F. Fototechnic
> was not really happy about these types of business of the liquidator. Anyway,
> I had full warranty, and later on, Fototechnic had to fix all issues.
> Finally, I got the body 5 times changed because a lot a bugs could not be
> fixed directly.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Dirk
>
>
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> Von: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von CarlosMFreaza
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. März 2010 16:36
> An: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Betreff: [rollei_list] Re: Rollei SL2000F and 3003: VERY LONG
>
> The 2000F was not a Rollei internal invention, it was a prototype presented
> to Rollei as Heinz Waaske presented the Rollei 35 prototype, with the
> difference the Rollei 35 prototype was almost ready to production, the
> photographs shown in the Report 3 and the work that Prochnow made with others
> to develop the prototypes are not bogus, anyway it is not impossible the
> architect Franzmann took the idea from some previous camera.
>
> When you asked me about that contact with Prochnow he already was very ill,
> he wrote me at the time that Rollei was something very far away in the time
> to him.
> BTW a beer is always a good thing.
>
> Carlos
>
> 2010/3/30 Marc James Small <marcsmall@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>> And, again, this is bogus, Carlos. The few remaining Zeiss Ikon
>> records -- and the few Zeiss Ikon executives of the time who are still
>> around -- make that certain. Yeah, RolleiLunatics really DO want to
>> believe the 2000F was an internal invention but the surviving
>> historical record makes this a really bogus claim.
>>
>> Back when Prochnow was alive, I asked you to put me in touch with him
>> over this issue, and you failed to do so. I really would have enjoyed
>> sharing a beer with you and Prochnow and Wolf Wehren over the demise of
>> Zeiss Ikon.
>> We all would have learned a lot!
>>
>> If this is NOT true, why did Zeiss Ikon present a working SL 2000F at
>> the
>> 1972 Photokina? One of our List members picked it up and played with
>> it, and it worked.
>>
>> If you want to agree that Zeiss Ikon passed on a one-off hand-made
>> camera to Rolleiflex in 1974, I have no problem. But the camera did
>> work -- again, one of our members used it and it worked for him -- and
>> then Rolleiflex had to reinvent the wheel to turn this into a
>> commercial product, I have no problem -- there is a surviving memo to
>> the Zeiss Foundation from Zeiss Ikon in 1971 spelling out the problems
>> they would have in producing this in real-time.
>>
>> But to suggest, as your RolleiFanatics do, that the SL 2000F was an
>> internal Rollei development is so much gibberish. Let us accept the
>> magnificent efforts Rollei made to perfect an imperfect Zeiss Ikon
>> product. The historical record on this is clear. Let us not ever
>> disregard the work of Prochnow but he was just flat wrong on this.
>>
>> You have not read my book?
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>> msmall@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Cha robh bàs fir gun ghràs fir!
>>
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