[rollei_list] Re: Plus X -PX 125- and Microdol X discontinued Alan
- From: Eric Goldstein <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 08:55:48 -0500
Hi David -
I'm not Alan but here's a good place to start...
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php?Film=Neopan+1600&Developer=Xtol&mdc=Search
When I shot Neopan 1600 I rated it at ISO 800-1000... what speed do you use?
Eric Goldstein
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:40 AM, <daxelb@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Alan,
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> Can recommend a time for Neopan 1600 with Xtol 1:3?
> Thanks in advance.
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> David
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> From: Mark Rabiner <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2010 4:06 pm
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Plus X -PX 125- and Microdol X discontinued
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>> On Feb 13, 2010, at 12:54 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
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>>>> I basically agree with this. There are subtle differences, and my own
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>>>> preference is for Xtol, but honestly focusing on soup is missing the
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>>>> forest for the trees. If you're that good that it's the developer
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>>>> that's keeping you from greatness, my hat's off to you. I have yet to
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>>>> see the portfolio that holds the argument...
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>>>>
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>>>> Eric Goldstein
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>>> The results I got from Xtol 1:3 I found broke most of the rules and
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>>> gave me
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>>> quality of a whole new ballgame.
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>>> Non subtle differences.
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>>> In effect my medium speed films looked like slow speed films
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>>> Fast films looked like medium speed films (400=100)
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>>> Both in terms of grain and sharpness.
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>>> You normally have to pick or or another.
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>>> With Xtol 1:3 I got both.
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>>> Normal for me for street shooting was Neopan 1600 which gave me better
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>>> than
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>>> Tri x in D76 1:1 results.
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>>> In the studio Across 100 looked like Agfapan 25 or stuff of a larger
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>>> format.
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>>> [Rabs]
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>>> Mark William Rabiner
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>> Xtol has been a unique film developer in providing increased sharpness,
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>> finer grain and higher film speed compared to standard D76. In
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>> addition, it achieved optimum results on both conventional and tabular
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>> grain films that I developed with it, and it lasted twice as long in
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>> storage than anything else not in syrup form. Usually with developers,
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>> one or more of these enhancements comes at the expense of others.
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>> However, I never thought Xtol blew the competition into the weeds,
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>> especially in medium format. There may be more than subtle differences
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>> visible in Godzilla size enlargements, but I seldom enlarge beyond 10X.
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>> At that magnification, Xtol qualities may be visible but have no
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>> aesthetic effect worth considering, IMHO. Still, I really liked it for
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>> its quality and convenience, and it replaced several developers I kept
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>> on hand for different films. After 2 1/2 years of bliss with Xtol, a
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>> developer sudden death incident ended the honeymoon. Unless there has
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>> been further word on the subject, I believe the cause was an inherent
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>> instability in the developing agent which is some form of vitamin C.
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>> Fuji 1600 is the best 35 mm B&W film ever, IMHO (I'm an available light
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>> kind of guy), my only regret being it didn't come in 120. For that I
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>> had to rely on Ilford Delta 3200, which was okay, but not up to the
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>> Fuji.
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>> Allen Zak
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> I never had a sudden death incident, lucky as I used it for critical jobs in
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> which I could not redo them.
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> I think if I ever run any more film I'll mix it from scratch every time and
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> have it be not a Phenidone but a Metol/Elon hydroquinone ascorbic acid
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> developer.
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> Which may translate to me putting a tab of ascorbic acid into D76 1:2. (not
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> 1:1) but mixing it up from scratch. Which takes five minutes by the way you
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> just get a scale.
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> MQ+C I may call it. Its already fairly popular on the darkroom lists.
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