At 02:05 AM 5/31/2005, Richard K wrote (extensively): >The stability of incorporated coupler color films has been >very substantially improved over the years. Modern color >films probably have a lifetime of 50 or more years before >dye fading becomes too great to get good prints or reproduce >them. The early films had lifetimes of no more than 15 >years. [enormous snip] Thank you for the details and obviously my memory is faulty about a number of them. It was more than I recall reading when I found what I did about the process. Regarding the films with incorporated couplers, I'm all to painfully aware of their lifetimes. I've suffered the short life you mention in negatives my wife has dating up into at least the 1960's and believe some of them were exposed and developed in the 1970's. They've proven impossible to extract a reasonably color balanced print out of them. Some are barely able to make any kind of print from. I've also had enormous problems with some color print materials made from of film I shot up to around 1980. Some of them have held up as if they were printed yesterday and others have faded horridly. Don't know if it was their developing or if it was different print materials. I was having the film developed and printed by the same service. They were sending it out somewhere; it was not done in-house, so there could be some variation there if they shipped it to different labs. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to the fading and color shifting though . . . which prints have and which have not . . . no longitudinal effect of most of the fading before a particular month/year and little afterward (or vice versa). It's seems quite random over about a five year period. Many of my father's Kodachromes are over 50 years old. They look like the day they came back from Kodak. Having prints made from them has been zero problem. It's not just Kodachrome's longevity that I've found attractive though. In addition to the apparent sharpness it has, there is nothing else that renders colors like it does. I know some despise it but I've always enjoyed it. I now use Provia 100F for medium format. It's the closest I've found to Kodachrome . . . not as different compared to the other E-6's I've tried would be a better characterization. Provia has been OK, but has some characteristics I don't like. I've suffered the "train headlamp flare" problem from other bright light sources that rail buffs complain train headlamps produce. Creates a blob like hot-spot in the photograph that doesn't have the same shape as the light source whereas Kodachrome creates something resembling the light source's shape with minimal flare around it. -- John Lind --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list