----- Original Message ----- From: "Thor Legvold" <tlegvold@xxxxxxx> To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Old film >I still prefer Kodachrome for 35mm. A shame it's not >available anymore > for 120. > > Thor I don't know why Kodak has been trying to kill off Kodachrome but they have for a long time. Probably supporting the special processing is the problem. Kodachrome evidently has excellent dark storage properties while Ektachrome type films have better resistance to fading under projection. I've seen quite a lot of Kodachrome that still looks pristine after 60 years. I am not sure why the dyes are so stable. Kodachrome differs from more recent color films in that the substances which form the dyes are in the developing solutions rather than in the emulsion layers. This may offer a wider range of dyes that can be used or, perhaps its something to do with residues of some sort in the emulsion layers. Kodachrome has a curious history. From bits of history gotten from various sources it seems that George Eastman got interested in finding a practical color film for amateur photographers. Its hinted that this desire was one reason for the establishment of the Kodak Research Laboratories although I think Eastman's aquaintance with the Edison lab, which eventually became the famous General Electric research lab, may have inspired its creation. Kodak was not successful during Eastman's lifetime although it introduced at least two early color processes. One was an additive process using a reseau of colored particals similar to the Dufycolor process. Agfa also had a commercial process using a version of the same technique, as did others. Kodak called its material Kodachrome. I no longer remember the date of introduction but I think it was in the 1920's, perhaps even earlier. It was not a sucessful process. The other earlier Kodak system was called Kodacolor and was a lenticular system for 16mm motion pictures. This was introduced in the early 1930's. Lenticular color systems have some serious inherent problems. One of the worst is color fringing of out of focus areas of the image. The syetem also requires a lens with a large physical aperture causing a limited depth of field and an exageration of the above problem. A great deal of work by Kodak in cooperation with Paramount Pictures was put into adapting lenticular color for professional motion pictures. The system works pretty well for reversal where the camera original is projected but there are grave difficulties in printing and duplicating. These, along with the relatively poor image quality caused the system to be unsuccessful and it was withdrawn after a relatively short time. The later process known as Kodachrome was introduced about 1935 as a 16mm motion picture stock. The original processing method was very complex and very fussy. It depended on the conrolled penetration of a bleach into the emulsion. The film was first developed into a negative. It was then given a reversal development for the color nearest the support. After this it was bleached in a bleach solution that penetrated only the two top layers. Then it was again developed in a developer which produced the right color for the center layer. Again it was bleached, this time for the top layer only. Then it was developed a third time for the top layer. Joseph Friedman, in his book on the history of color processes, attributes this method to Mannes and Godowsky since other parts of the Kodachrome process dated from the turn of the century and were fairly well known technology. After about a year and half a better method of processing was found. This is the method still used. This still requires three separate reversal developments in developer containing the right couplers for the particular layers but eliminates the need for the differential bleaching. It makes use of the color sensitizing of the red layer, which remains after the first development so that selective re-exposure of the three layers is possible. The first reversal is of the bottom layer by fogging it with red light from the support side. Since none of the other layers is sensitive to red only the bottom layer becomes developable. Next the top layer is fogged using blue light. Because the yellow filter layer is intact the blue light does not fog the center (green recording) layer. After the top layer is developed the center layer is developed in a fogging developer. All this was necessitated by Kodak's lack of success in finding a way to keep dye couplers from wandering from layer to layer. Agfa did find a way and introduced a reversal color film at about the same time as Kodachrome that could be developed in a much simpler fashion. However, it was never sold in the US and was inferior to Kodachrome in image quality. The Agfa method of anchoring the dye is the one currently in use for all chromogenic color films. Kodak did eventually find another method of anchoring the couplers. This was introduced in Kodacolor film c.1941 and was the basis for Kodak color materials until probably the 1980's when they adopted the Agfa method. It is reported that Kodak made materials for the military using the Agfa technique during WW-2 when the Agfa patents were seized by the government. --- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles, CA, USA dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list