[rollei_list] Re: Old film

  • From: "Richard Knoppow" <dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:00:48 -0700

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From: "Thor Legvold" <tlegvold@xxxxxxx>
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Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 9:20 AM
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: Old film


>I still prefer Kodachrome for 35mm. A shame it's not 
>available anymore
> for 120.
>
> Thor

  I don't know why Kodak has been trying to kill off 
Kodachrome but they have for a long time. Probably 
supporting the special processing is the problem. Kodachrome 
evidently has excellent dark storage properties while 
Ektachrome type films have better resistance to fading under 
projection. I've seen quite a lot of Kodachrome that still 
looks pristine after 60 years. I am not sure why the dyes 
are so stable. Kodachrome differs from more recent color 
films in that the substances which form the dyes are in the 
developing solutions rather than in the emulsion layers. 
This may offer a wider range of dyes that can be used or, 
perhaps its something to do with residues of some sort in 
the emulsion layers.
   Kodachrome has a curious history. From bits of history 
gotten from various sources it seems that George Eastman got 
interested in finding a practical color film for amateur 
photographers. Its hinted that this desire was one reason 
for the establishment of the Kodak Research Laboratories 
although I think Eastman's aquaintance with the Edison lab, 
which eventually became the famous General Electric research 
lab, may have inspired its creation. Kodak was not 
successful during Eastman's lifetime although it introduced 
at least two early color processes. One was an additive 
process using a reseau of colored particals similar to the 
Dufycolor process. Agfa also had a commercial process using 
a version of the same technique, as did others. Kodak called 
its material Kodachrome. I no longer remember the date of 
introduction but I think it was in the 1920's, perhaps even 
earlier. It was not a sucessful process. The other earlier 
Kodak system was called Kodacolor and was a lenticular 
system for 16mm motion pictures. This was introduced in the 
early 1930's. Lenticular color systems have some serious 
inherent problems. One of the worst is color fringing of out 
of focus areas of the image. The syetem also requires a lens 
with a large physical aperture causing a limited depth of 
field and an exageration of the above problem. A great deal 
of work by Kodak in cooperation with Paramount Pictures was 
put into adapting lenticular color for professional motion 
pictures. The system works pretty well for reversal where 
the camera original is projected but there are grave 
difficulties in printing and duplicating. These, along with 
the relatively poor image quality caused the system to be 
unsuccessful and it was withdrawn after a relatively short 
time.
   The later process known as Kodachrome was introduced 
about 1935 as a 16mm motion picture stock. The original 
processing method was very complex and very fussy. It 
depended on the conrolled penetration of a bleach into the 
emulsion. The film was first developed into a negative. It 
was then given a reversal development for the color nearest 
the support. After this it was bleached in a bleach solution 
that penetrated only the two top layers. Then it was again 
developed in a developer which produced the right color for 
the center layer. Again it was bleached, this time for the 
top layer only. Then it was developed a third time for the 
top layer. Joseph Friedman, in his book on the history of 
color processes, attributes this method to Mannes and 
Godowsky since other parts of the Kodachrome process dated 
from the turn of the century and were fairly well known 
technology. After about a year and half a better method of 
processing was found. This is the method still used. This 
still requires three separate reversal developments in 
developer containing the right couplers for the particular 
layers but eliminates the need for the differential 
bleaching. It makes use of the color sensitizing of the red 
layer, which remains after the first development so that 
selective re-exposure of the three layers is possible. The 
first reversal is of the bottom layer by fogging it with red 
light from the support side. Since none of the other layers 
is sensitive to red only the bottom layer becomes 
developable. Next the top layer is fogged using blue light. 
Because the yellow filter layer is intact the blue light 
does not fog the center (green recording) layer. After the 
top layer is developed the center layer is developed in a 
fogging developer. All this was necessitated by Kodak's lack 
of success in finding a way to keep dye couplers from 
wandering from layer to layer. Agfa did find a way and 
introduced a reversal color film at about the same time as 
Kodachrome that could be developed in a much simpler 
fashion. However, it was never sold in the US and was 
inferior to Kodachrome in image quality. The Agfa method of 
anchoring the dye is the one currently in use for all 
chromogenic color films. Kodak did eventually find another 
method of anchoring the couplers. This was introduced in 
Kodacolor film c.1941 and was the basis for Kodak color 
materials until probably the 1980's when they adopted the 
Agfa method. It is reported that Kodak made materials for 
the military using the Agfa technique during WW-2 when the 
Agfa patents were seized by the government.

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Richard Knoppow
Los Angeles, CA, USA
dickburk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

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