Hi Carlos - OK, sounds like we agree that a 90 mm lens does not have the back focus/clearance issues an 80 mm lens does when hanging on a 66 SLR (the crux of this discussion) and yes, interesting how Praktica and other lower end makers solved this engineering problem inexpensively while maintaining some quality... Eric Goldstein -- On 7/11/08, Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > --- El jue 10-jul-08, Eric Goldstein <egoldste@xxxxxxxxx> escribió: > > > > Very interesting information, Carlos. It is important to > > note that this lens: > > > > http://araxfoto.com/lenses/vega-12/ > > > > is badged a 90mm/2.8, which is important to the issue at > > hand. > > > The Vega-12b 2.8/90 was the standard lens for the Salyut MF camera, the > Salyut was the original Hasselblad 1600F/1000F copy, the Kiev 88 is an > improved Salyut and the Kiev 88 uses an Arsenal/Arsat/Volna 2.8/80 five > elements lens, but the Vega 90mm can be used like the standard lens too. > The standard lens for the Hasselblad 1000F was the EKTAR (Eastman Kodak > TessAR)2.8/80, a four elements lens, no problem with the mirror, this camera > could only offer a 60mm lens like wide angle lens (no "retrofocus" design) > due to the mirror movement issue. > The new 1957 Hasselblad 500 C (Compur) with built-in leaf shutters for the > lenses required to re-calculate the 2.8/80 five elements Planar (not used for > the 1000F) and then the seven elements Planar 2.8/80 was built and the > retrofocus design allowed new and shorter wide angle lenses. > I think eastern Europe MF SLR camera manufacturers managed the standard > lenses and cameras construction (as John Wild suggested) to use cheaper five > elements standard lenses, even adding 10mm for the focal length like the Vega > Lens and the Salyut camera sample but maintaining the lens quality regarding > the western Europe and Japan MF lenses, the Carl Zeiss Jena lenses specially. > If you don't have a lot of cameras and lenses measurements to compare and > the knowledge to interpret them, it's almost impossible to obtain a > definitive conclusion, but since the evident lenses construction differences > are for standard lenses only, we are talking about a few mm that some slight > design and construction differences could explain.- > > > Carlos > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > ¡Buscá desde tu celular! > > Yahoo! oneSEARCH ahora está en Claro > > http://ar.mobile.yahoo.com/onesearch > --- > Rollei List > > - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' > in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with > 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org > > - Online, searchable archives are available at > //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list > > --- Rollei List - Post to rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Subscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'subscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Unsubscribe at rollei_list-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with 'unsubscribe' in the subject field OR by logging into www.freelists.org - Online, searchable archives are available at //www.freelists.org/archives/rollei_list