[rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions?
- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:25:13 +0000 (GMT)
Thanks Slobodan, your cameras and Shannon's cameras
are within the Repair manual and the Rollei Report
specs, there are versions with or without the 220
counter, the problem with the two cameras I quoted for
the first time on the topic are the white face front
panel, the relationship between the serial numbers and
the taking lenses brand name, the old style strap
holders for one of them and the doubt if they are
parepared or not prepared to receive a Planglass, if
they are original "white face" they couldn't receive a
Planglass.
I think Todd and the known Rollei technicians could
provide a transport crank side panel with or without
the 220 counter.-
All the best
Carlos
--- Slobodan Dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
escribió:
> I have a white face 2.8F without the 12/24 function.
> Another one I
> had was also without it. Both are 29xxx numbers,
> with Xenotar optics.
> I also have 3.5F, 285xxx numeration, with the 12/24
> function. I would
> gladly replace the side plate without one, if I
> could find one.
>
> Slobodan Dimitrov
> Studio G-8,
> Angels Gate Cultural Center
> http://sdimitrovphoto.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 30, 2006, at 7:54 AM, Carlos Manuel Freaza
> wrote:
>
> > My sources are the best that you can find about
> Rollei
> > cameras, one of them is the factory and the other
> is
> > an engineer that worked for Rollei during 36 years
> > until the '90s, he was Rollei cameras designer and
> > Technical manager, BTW Rollei production was very
> > complex along the years and these sources could
> have
> > some omissions but these omissions are scarce,
> very
> > rares, the Rollei Factory manual includes the 2.8F
> and
> > 3.5F without lightmeter, for example, anyway I
> insist
> > that I quoted cameras that show more than one
> feature
> > out of the factory specs, and BTW, after these
> cameras
> > has been more than 30 years in the market, I
> consider
> > these two sources more realiables than eBay.-+
> >
> > All the best
> > Carlos
> > --- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> >
> >> Hi Carlos,
> >>
> >> You don't have to apologise, I do not doubt the
> >> authenticity of my WF
> >> Xenotars as I have seen numourous others like
> them
> >> for sale on Ebay over a 7
> >> year period -some like new in box. They cannot
> have
> >> all been doctored.
> >>
> >> I was just disputing the accuracy of your
> sources.
> >>
> >> Shannon
> >>
> >>> From: Carlos Manuel Freaza
> <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white
> >> face"... conversions?
> >>> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:31:02 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>
> >>> I'm sorry if I caused you a doubt about your
> >> cameras
> >>> Shannon, perhaps there were white face versions
> >>> without 12/24 film counter and the Rollei
> Factory
> >>> Repair Manual doesn't mention this version and
> >> perhaps
> >>> there also is an omission in Prochnow about it,
> >> it's
> >>> possible very much, however Planar or Xenotar
> were
> >> not
> >>> an option for the 3.5F "white face", Rollei
> >>> manufactured the 3.5F provided with Xenotar
> 3.5/75
> >>> lens exclusively from 1966 from serial 2815000;
> and
> >>> regarding the Planar 2.8/80 white face, the
> higher
> >>> serial number could be 2.8F 2479999, afterwards
> >> from
> >>> serial 2950000 they were provided with Xenotar
> >> 2.8/80
> >>> only. Since I considered that could exist F
> white
> >>> faces without the 12/24 film counter for some
> >> reason,
> >>> I chose cameras that show other out of
> >> specifications
> >>> features too like the two cameras I have quoted,
> >> and
> >>> BTW if a camera has strap holders out of specs
> >> changed
> >>> after its original manufacture, or the original
> >> lens
> >>> was changed, it's not an original camera talking
> >> about
> >>> a collector perspective, these cameras cause to
> me
> >>> serious doubts about if they are 100% originals,
> >> but
> >>> they are only doubts...
> >>>
> >>> All the best
> >>> Carlos
> >>> --- Shannon Hong <triode12@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> escribió:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Carlos,
> >>>>
> >>>> I seriously doubt that all white face 2.8Fs or
> >> 3.5Fs
> >>>> came with 12/24
> >>>> switches as standard that is why there are
> quite
> >> a
> >>>> few that have just the
> >>>> newer winder side panel with the raised
> platform
> >>>> where the switch usually
> >>>> resides. I believe the 12/24 functionality was
> >> an
> >>>> option as was the choice
> >>>> of a Planar or Xenotar lens. That is why the
> >> 12/24
> >>>> switch is such a rarity
> >>>> on any 2.8F (be they White Face or no).
> >>>>
> >>>> I do agree that most of the White face 2.8Fs
> >> with
> >>>> Planar lenses I've come
> >>>> across (on Ebay) are usually from the 240000
> s/n
> >>>> block rather than the later
> >>>> 290000 block. I don't believe I've ever seen a
> >> white
> >>>> face 2.8F Planar in the
> >>>> 290000 block of numbers. While I have seen 3.5F
> >> WF
> >>>> planars in the 290000
> >>>> block.
> >>>>
> >>>> I own two late model (290000 block) Xenotar
> >> white
> >>>> face units which don't
> >>>> have 12/24 switches. And a new in box Planar
> >> white
> >>>> face 12/24 unit in the
> >>>> 240000 s/n block. As far as I know, my Xenotar
> >> units
> >>>> were not previously
> >>>> tampered with.
> >>>>
> >>>> rgds
> >>>> Shannon
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Carlos Manuel Freaza
> >> <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white
> >>>> face"... conversions?
> >>>>> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 11:38:49 +0000 (GMT)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Shannon:
> >>>>> I was talking on the basis of the
> >> two
> >>>>> sources I mentioned, if the sources are wrong,
> >> I'm
> >>>>> wrong, if the sources are right, I'm right, I
> >>>> talked
> >>>>> about an assumption, not about a certainty.
> >>>>> The strap holders semi-circles lack is one of
> >> the
> >>>> well
> >>>>> known external original "white face"
> >>>> features(Rollei
> >>>>> repair manual and Report II photograph caption
> >> page
> >>>>> 16-384 ), and all the "white faces" that I saw
> >>>>> respecting 100% the specs had 12/24 film
> >> counter
> >>>> (the
> >>>>> lever working as you described), a visible
> >> switch
> >>>> with
> >>>>> the number 24 in white background and to be
> >> more
>
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