[rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions?
- From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 22:59:10 +0000 (GMT)
According the Rollei Factory repair Manual that
contains the production changes for different cameras
models and different parts, the "white face" model was
manufactured from 1970, according Prochnow from 1971,
I think because he crosses info between factory data
and prices list for the market sometimes.
IMO the "white face" models have nothing special
regarding the last no "white face" models except for
the front panel shape and very minor changes, and the
serial numbers block gap does not mean a different
camera model like a necessary thing, it could mean a
change or it couldn't mean a change, you often can
find these serial blocks gaps along the TLR
production, sometimes with changes, sometimes without
changes for the model.
The only TLR "whiteface" camera in regular production
till the original Rollei company bankruptcy on 1980/81
was the 2.8F; I found in Manfred Schmidt Collectibles
a 3.5F for sale with the serial 5,xxx,xxxthat
according the seller is one of the 3.5F manufacured
under special order on 1980, the serial number block
is different regarding the known blocks for the 3.5F
regular production that ended on 1976.-
All the best
Carlos
All the best
Carlos
--- Slobodan Dimitrov <s.dimitrov@xxxxxxxxxxx>
escribió:
> Doesn't the serial number gap, along with the years
> involved, at this
> stage of Rollei's life, reflect a different run,
> hence a different
> camera? The first white face run being in 1969, with
> the last run
> lasting from 1976 to 1980. I'll gladly stand
> corrected for any error
> on the dates.
>
> Slobodan Dimitrov
> Studio G-8,
> Angels Gate Cultural Center
> http://sdimitrovphoto.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 31, 2006, at 3:21 PM, todd belcher wrote:
>
> > Well - personally, I don't consider serial number
> block changes
> > 'versions'. It is akin to saying 'I changed my
> license plate number
> > on my car and now I have a different model of
> car'.
> >
> >
> >
> > todd
> >
> >
> > On 31-Jul-06, at 2:31 PM, Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
> >
> >> I've white face F's with 2,7xxx numbers.
> >> Some have called those the F3, whereas the 2,9xxx
> series is called
> >> the F4.
> >>
> >>
> >> Slobodan Dimitrov
> >> Studio G-8,
> >> Angels Gate Cultural Center
> >> http://sdimitrovphoto.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 31, 2006, at 1:41 PM, todd belcher wrote:
> >>
> >>> Depends what you mean by two versions.
> >>>
> >>> todd
> >>>
> >>> On 31-Jul-06, at 1:38 PM, Slobodan Dimitrov
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Well, let's throw this into the mix.
> >>>> Does anyone know that there were two versions
> of the white face.
> >>>>
> >>>> Slobodan Dimitrov
> >>>> Studio G-8,
> >>>> Angels Gate Cultural Center
> >>>> http://sdimitrovphoto.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jul 31, 2006, at 11:47 AM,
> Choiliefan@xxxxxxx wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Carlos:
> >>>>> My 2.8F 12/24 ser# 24697XX has the newer
> NON-half moon strap
> >>>>> lugs but is NOT a white face model.
> >>>>> I've always suspected it was a late example
> since both the hood
> >>>>> and prism have US distributor "Honeywell"
> printed below Rollei
> >>>>> on the name plates.
> >>>>> The 2.8 Planar is 4876049.
> >>>>> Hope this information is useful in your
> search. My limited
> >>>>> research has never revealed the year this
> camera was produced
> >>>>> nor the years Honeywell was distributor.
> >>>>> Today, fighting for truth, justice and the
> last slice of pizza!
> >>>>> Lance
> >>>>> Selma, NC 27576
> >>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>>>> In a message dated 7/31/2006 8:53:33 AM
> Eastern Standard Time,
> >>>>> cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> >>>>> Thanks John, your info is very interesting, I
> have
> >>>>> seen a lot of F white face along the years,
> the first
> >>>>> one was a new 2.8F white face that my father's
> partner
> >>>>> bought on 1974 during a visit to Europe, I
> shot with
> >>>>> that camera, and I saw even more thanks to
> Internet,
> >>>>> the e-commerce and auction sites in different
> >>>>> countries, this is the second time in few days
> that I
> >>>>> know about an F "white face" with semi-circle
> in the
> >>>>> strap holders.
> >>>>> The 2.8F I mentioned above did not have the
> 12/24
> >>>>> switch lever and then I guessed there was a
> version
> >>>>> without it; finally I found in the Rollei
> Factory
> >>>>> Manual written version(the PDF version is
> difficult to
> >>>>> handle in the PC) the exploded view about the
> F panel
> >>>>> with and without 12/24 switch, they are
> identical
> >>>>> except for the switch and the perforation for
> the
> >>>>> switch lever. My 3.5F has the semi-circle but
> it also
> >>>>> has the previous film transport crank side
> >>>>> panel version.
> >>>>> The first section of the Rollei Factory Repair
> Manual
> >>>>> shows the 3.5F and 2.8F "white face" versions
> without
> >>>>> the semi-circles in the strap holders, however
> it's
> >>>>> possible that some earlier "white face"
> cameras
> >>>>> without the 12/24 external switch lever were
> provided
> >>>>> with the "mond" in the strap holders according
> your
> >>>>> camera and the 2.8F in Co... show, but for my
> case
> >>>>> they only are two cameras for at least thirty
> F "white
> >>>>> face".-
> >>>>>
> >>>>> All the best
> >>>>> Carlos
> >>>>> --- John Wild <JWild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> escribió:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Carlos,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I have a White Face 3.5F which does not have
> the
> >>>>> > 120/220 option. I have owned it for 20
> years. Hence,
> >>>>> > I would assume it is original because it
> would have
> >>>>> > been sold before sellers realised that they
> could
> >>>>> > get more for a White Face than a standard
> 3.5F. It
> >>>>> > has the 'mound' in the side plate that would
> take
> >>>>> > the option lever.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > John
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> > From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> > [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> >>>>> > Of Carlos Manuel Freaza
> >>>>> > Sent: 30 July 2006 04:46
> >>>>> > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> > Subject: [rollei_list] About some F "white
> face"...
> >>>>> > conversions?
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > According the Rollei Factory Repair Manual
> and the
> >>>>> > Rollei Report II from Claus Prochnow, the
> 12/24
> >>>>> > 120/220 film counter was introduced in the
> 3.5F and
> >>>>> > 2.8F models on 1965, and the new "white
> face" front
> >>>>> > panel on 1970 according that Manual and on
> 1971
> >>>>> > according Prochnow ( it appeared in some
> list prices
> >>>>> > on 1971 and then the slight difference),
> anyway all
> >>>>> > F "white faces" cameras are provided with
> 12/24
>
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