From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white face"... conversions?
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 12:17:09 +0000 (GMT)
Thanks Nick, it helps to the "official" specifications
about the F "white face", like Lance's camera despite
it's not "white face" and other five cameras "white
face" with and without 12/24 film counter referred to
me during this topic only.
Anyway I don't have conclusions about the two cameras
out of the official "white face" specs I suspect -only
suspect- could be no original, it's necessary more
data about them.
After 1970 most F,T and Vb front panel manufactured
like spare part are "whiteface" including serial
numbers within the block corresponding to manufactured
cameras (I have seen some samples about "white face"
front panels spare parts with the serial number), and
then my doubts.
It's interesting to note that the GX and FX regular
production have engraved the serial numbers above the
name plate "Rolleiflex" again.-
All the best
Carlos
--- Nick Roberts <nickbroberts@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
> My 2.8F Whiteface is 2955336. It has the superior
> Xenotar, no half-moon hangers, and no 12/24 switch.
> I have no idea which side of the argument that
> helps, as I've not read it all!
>
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2006 4:50:43 AM
> Subject: [rollei_list] Re: About some F "white
> face"... conversions?
>
> Lance, to be more precise your 2.8F version runs
> from
> 2.8F #2455000 to #2479999 and was manufactured from
> November 1966 to 1973 and then your camera is close
> to
> the 2.8F "whiteface" 1970/71 and the fact your
> camera
> does not have the half-moon in the strap holders
> perhaps could be significant, at least it's
> interesting data to me. It's a pity there is no data
> about the exact first 2.8F "white face" serial
> number,
> however it's a fact it was a Planar model within the
> same block than your camera and it's also very
> interesting your camera has Planar lens too, it
> means
> your info agrees 100% with Rollei factory and
> Prochnow
> data.-
>
> All the best
> Carlos
>
> --- Carlos Manuel Freaza <cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> escribió:
>
> > Hi Lance:
> > Thanks for the info, my "search" is
> about
> > to
> > learn the differences between a true "whiteface"
> and
> > a
> > false "whiteface"... :-)
> > On November 1966 was manufactured the first 2.8F
> > without the means in the body to receive the
> > "Planglass", it's from the 2.8F # 2,455,000 and
> then
> > I
> > think your camera was manufactured on 1967.
> > Really there is no a significant technical
> > difference
> > between your camera and a 2.8F "white face", like
> > there is no a significant technical difference
> > between
> > the GX last version and the FX.-
> >
> > All the best
> > Carlos
> >
> >
> > --- Choiliefan@xxxxxxx escribió:
> >
> > > Carlos:
> > > My 2.8F 12/24 ser# 24697XX has the newer
> NON-half
> > > moon strap lugs but is NOT
> > > a white face model.
> > > I've always suspected it was a late example
> since
> > > both the hood and prism
> > > have US distributor "Honeywell" printed below
> > Rollei
> > > on the name plates.
> > > The 2.8 Planar is 4876049.
> > > Hope this information is useful in your search.
> > My
> > > limited research has
> > > never revealed the year this camera was produced
> > nor
> > > the years Honeywell was
> > > distributor.
> > > Today, fighting for truth, justice and the last
> > > slice of pizza!
> > > Lance
> > > Selma, NC 27576
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > In a message dated 7/31/2006 8:53:33 AM Eastern
> > > Standard Time,
> > > cmfreaza@xxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> > > Thanks John, your info is very interesting, I
> have
> > > seen a lot of F white face along the years, the
> > > first
> > > one was a new 2.8F white face that my father's
> > > partner
> > > bought on 1974 during a visit to Europe, I shot
> > with
> > > that camera, and I saw even more thanks to
> > Internet,
> > > the e-commerce and auction sites in different
> > > countries, this is the second time in few days
> > that
> > > I
> > > know about an F "white face" with semi-circle in
> > the
> > > strap holders.
> > > The 2.8F I mentioned above did not have the
> 12/24
> > > switch lever and then I guessed there was a
> > version
> > > without it; finally I found in the Rollei
> Factory
> > > Manual written version(the PDF version is
> > difficult
> > > to
> > > handle in the PC) the exploded view about the F
> > > panel
> > > with and without 12/24 switch, they are
> identical
> > > except for the switch and the perforation for
> the
> > > switch lever. My 3.5F has the semi-circle but it
> > > also
> > > has the previous film transport crank side
> > > panel version.
> > > The first section of the Rollei Factory Repair
> > > Manual
> > > shows the 3.5F and 2.8F "white face" versions
> > > without
> > > the semi-circles in the strap holders, however
> > it's
> > > possible that some earlier "white face" cameras
> > > without the 12/24 external switch lever were
> > > provided
> > > with the "mond" in the strap holders according
> > your
> > > camera and the 2.8F in Co... show, but for my
> case
> > > they only are two cameras for at least thirty F
> > > "white
> > > face".-
> > >
> > > All the best
> > > Carlos
> > > --- John Wild <JWild@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > escribió:
> > >
> > > > Carlos,
> > > >
> > > > I have a White Face 3.5F which does not have
> the
> > > > 120/220 option. I have owned it for 20 years.
> > > Hence,
> > > > I would assume it is original because it would
> > > have
> > > > been sold before sellers realised that they
> > could
> > > > get more for a White Face than a standard
> 3.5F.
> > It
> > > > has the 'mound' in the side plate that would
> > take
> > > > the option lever.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:rollei_list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Carlos Manuel Freaza
> > > > Sent: 30 July 2006 04:46
> > > > To: rollei_list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [rollei_list] About some F "white
> > > face"...
> > > > conversions?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > According the Rollei Factory Repair Manual and
> > the
> > > > Rollei Report II from Claus Prochnow, the
> 12/24
> > > > 120/220 film counter was introduced in the
> 3.5F
> > > and
> > > > 2.8F models on 1965, and the new "white face"
> > > front
> > > > panel on 1970 according that Manual and on
> 1971
> > > > according Prochnow ( it appeared in some list
> > > prices
> > > > on 1971 and then the slight difference),
> anyway
> > > all
> > > > F "white faces" cameras are provided with
> 12/24
>
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